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legend, innovation and new things being brought to the sport. What what else did you notice? What were some other examples that you saw in Michael or through Michael? Michael is a sort of guy that you never ever want to say that he's not going to do something. You never want to be critical of Michael because he will stick it so far up your It's not funny. And not many competitors to that. If I actually said something about one of my competitors or try to intimidate them a little bit, not even meaning thio half the time it would get under their skin, you know, it could almost go into their performance in a negative way. Do that to Michael and improve his performance by that 400%. That was very early on, even when we played golf. Today. If I'm betting on him on the last hole, it's slightly intensity of focus and athletic prowess and everything else you can imagine that makes you great just comes into play, even if he's had the worst 17 holes beforehand. So from a 20 handicap to zero in no time and just one hole just to stick it to him. Yeah, and I keep testing it right because I'll start jean him up before that whole just received. My theory about him is correct, and 100% of the time I'm proven right. So that's probably one of the other things about Michael. And you know, that's that's an interesting characteristic that I haven't seen in many athletes across a lot of sports that are able to have that ability to increase performance to that extent because of maybe a slight bit of criticism or questioning. So that that was one of the other things I really noticed about him very, very quickly. Have some additional questions about that. But I'll hit snooze on those. Michael, what did you notice about Grant? What were your some of your first impressions? I don't know if you guys are, the listeners can pick up, but I mean, as a kid growing up like I was a massive swimming geek, I was a nerd. Like I was. I was very into it. I was trying to learn anything I possibly could, but also like I I disrespected. You know, other great athletes, other great summers and and growing up idolizing, You know, some of the greats that walk before hacky and I, you know, I just I learned so much history. So being able to understand swimming from a global level very early on, you know, through my sister. Or in a way, and I just really connected with him and and as you as you heard with with Thor Pia's Well, those two guys were probably the two closest swimming friends that I have to this day. You know, I feel like I was closer with with the Aussies that I was really with the Americans. And so it was kind of strange, but, you know, like I I do remember those 2000 and three days. You know, Bob and I were going back thio some of those old sets a few weeks ago, hacky and pretty good seeing some of those kicking set some of the polling sets, the underwater stuff that we were doing with fins. I mean, just everything. And that's what I mean, like, you know, there aren't many athletes that can really take it to that that level back to back days. And you know, that was something I that I saw in Hackey and and obviously I respected the hell out of. And you know the chance that we got toe to spend together. It was always very special, always very meaningful. And, you know, obviously he turned into, you know, more of a brother than anything else. And it's been cool to see it's been Oh, my gosh, unbelievable. So many great stories. I'm a scatterbrain. So I'm popping all over the place and I feel like I'm gonna take Samir questions. Oh, I saw I'll stop. Feel free to bounce around scatterbrained that I've made an entire career out of it on this podcast. So feel free, Grant. I want to ask you about intensity, and I'm going to do it in a somewhat sideways fashion. But both of you are known for being beasts in training and having just ungodly work capacities. And I don't know if I'm getting the hours right. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but 30 to 40 hours of training a week, maybe mawr at times I want you to correct that in your in your answer if need be. But it seems like the combination of that volume, plus the intensity that you're both famous for would drive anyone into the ground. And I'm just curious how you prevented that from happening. If maybe you could speak to that Grant. Yeah, I think you know, first and foremost around the 30 or 40 hours That's right. We would train anywhere from kind of 5 to 7 hours a day, six days a week. I know Michael would do seven days a week. I think he trained, like, 535 140 days straight into Beijing. So he knows all about patient. Yeah. What was that? A little more than that. But it's OK, e 55 or six straight years. Yeah, So I mean, that degree of application is one thing, but you're right. You have to be doing a better father harder than the guy on the other side of the world. And on, I think, the goal. The outcome was just so strong. The desire? Andi, I think when something is so meaningful and purposeful Thio to you as an individual, you're willing to to do anything. And it's funny the body does get used to it to an extent you get used to getting up at 4 45. You know, doing that eight kilometers doing it to the intensity that you need to then going into the gym for 90 minutes doing that, then going back in the afternoon and doing it all again, so on. But it's amazing how much more you can absorb thing what you give yourself credit for. But one of the things I always tried to do is whenever my coach would set something like insanely hard set, and if I finished it, I would do one or two more reps. And he was known as you know, having one of the top three intense programs in the world from a lot of the physiologists out there. So I always just try to take it to the next level every single time. I knew with my event, which probably is different to some of the finesse that Michael had in his events in terms of his underwater and skills for May was about being tough and and he's trained with a great 1500 m swimming called Eric Van, so he knows Thean intensity and the mindset, and I was very similar to Eric in terms of if you have to pull me out of the water after this session and put me in an ambulance. I do not care as long as I get every outside of myself and you've got a show up with that attitude every day because that's how tough you guys are that you're racing and it's just it's just the way it is. And I think when you get the winds, it keeps you going right. It keeps you going to the next step. It makes the bits a little bit more digestible, and I just love that feeling.
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