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Episode 65 - The Hauntings of The Bowery Hotel

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Abby & Alan explore the haunted rumors of The Bowery Hotel...while staying there.CW: Themes of sexual assault. Consider donating to Austin Mutual Aid (venmo @austinmutualaid) and take a look at this comprehensive list of orgs across Texas that need our help. Lunatics merch, available here!
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Abby & Alan explore the haunted rumors of The Bowery Hotel...while staying there.CW: Themes of sexual assault. Consider donating to Austin Mutual Aid (venmo @austinmutualaid) and take a look at this comprehensive list of orgs across Texas that need our help. Lunatics merch, available here!---Consider helping Black Trans folks by donating to the Marsha P Johnson Institute.Subscribe to Anti-Racism Daily - a daily email newsletter from Nicole Cardoza.Also, consider donating to The Loveland Foundation, a fund that provides therapy for Black women.Find out more about RAINN here.---Check out Abby's book Horror Stories. Available in eBook and paperback.Music by Michaela Papa, Alan Kudan & Jordan Moser. Poster Art by Pilar Keprta @pilar.kep.Lunatics Magazine is available here. Subscribe to our newsletter! Follow us on Instagram @thelunaticsproject and on YouTube - Films About Lunatics.Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/filmsaboutlunatics)
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I have no idea. We're going to talk about the hauntings at the bowery hotel. Okay. Yeah I would I would love to. Okay great. The main point of interest here is the elevators. So we've taken the elevators a few times since we've been here already. How would you describe the elevator visually? So people can envision there's three elevators. I believe they're the size of like phone booths. They're very very very small. All wooden. It really feels like it was, it was retrofitted. Yeah. They feel old and they do feel old and rickety, feels like old elevator cage. Yeah. Without the cage. One of the most common reports of the paranormal at the Barrie Hotel is the elevators. Almost every article or review I found that mentioned ghosts at the hotel mentioned that the elevators are known to go wild especially around one. a.m. The elevators are known to go up and down at will stop at random floors and kind of like generally go haywire around specifically one. a.m. There's also this one Trip Advisor review that somebody wrote that really was sort of haunting to me because it was just this normal like totally normal review of the hotel right? The first it was just like a paragraph 90 of it was just like yeah you know it was good service, whatever, you know X, Y, Z. Then the last sentence just says this hotel I think is actually haunted, question mark, question mark, have you stayed there? Let me know. It was just like this weird thing of like I really think this hotel is haunted though right? So anyway that one that one left me with chills. Another common paranormal encounter at the battery is the woman in white. Multiple guests have reported being greeted by the woman in all white clothing as they enter their room for the first time and I have to admit we were kind of deciding originally if we were going to come together like meat here or come together and I was a little bit afraid at the idea of coming before getting here first and and coming up to the room by myself in case the woman in white was waiting for me. So I'm glad that we got, we arrived together. I would have loved if I got here first. Yeah. And then during this episode, you tell me about the woman in white and I'm like, oh wow, yeah, that happened. It didn't happen. No, it didn't. And you also went out at one point to get some shelter and I was a little afraid but I have to say I haven't had, I have not had an experience yet. I got is not yet one I am, I gotta say my, my spooky meter is nearly in the negatives well, but isn't that always the case for you? I mean, Yeah, but how often are we in a haunted location? That's good. That means if something happens, we'll have to believe it. Yeah. Open minds, open minds. Open hearts. Many believe that the spirit or spirits haunting the bowery have a poltergeist quality, meaning playful in somewhat sinister energy. Poltergeists are known for their ability to move physical objects. If you've seen the movie poltergeist from 1982 you may be familiar with this type of spirit. There's a scene where in the movie all of the kitchen furniture keeps getting rearrange, the chairs get kind of like stacked in funny ways and that's a little bit similar to some of the reports. So the spirits of the battery are known to use the lights to cause chaos flickering them on and off to move around hotel furniture and they especially like to interrupt parties or events. So the battery is used fairly often for, it has like a really gorgeous event space that they sometimes hold awards ceremonies at. You know, it's like a very, or weddings, it's, it's kind of like a very swanky award space or event space. Yeah. If you were a ghost, what kind of ghost do you think you'd be Probably like a really sad angry 1? So like the type, like the grudge. No, God, no, I'm just kidding. I don't know, probably playful. That sounds fun, right, poultry guys can get a little dangerous though, you know, they can take things too far. Sure. Why, what kind of ghost would you be? I feel like I'd be the type of person where some new tenant in an apartment is talking to one of their friends and says like, oh yeah, so you know, I got to meet the other roommate, he's pretty nice. We had like, you know, we had a cup of tea, all this stuff, we hung out and then person number two is like, oh shit, you saw him, that's the ghost. Yeah. Like you'd be, you wouldn't realize that you were dead or it's just like, yeah, or you'd be really casual about it would be real real cash and they wouldn't, yeah, they wouldn't know I was dead. Okay. But then no one would believe them. I like that. I did have I don't want to give away anything about the movie, the others. But when we first got here, I sort of had another's feeling that's all going to say about that. Although I also might be a bit poltergeist, poltergeist. I think absolutely your poltergeist in real life. Yeah. Because like if I change the channel to what I want to watch, I feel like you're making a dig at the fact that I accidentally bought the music channel when we got here. The Pay per view is haunted. Pay per view is haunted. Listen, it was not my fault. Okay. The event spaces also known as a place within the hotel where there's elevated activity and sometimes like the chairs and things when they're set up for events can get rearranged. But there have also been reports from guests that they'd be having a conversation with someone and that that person would disappear mid sentence. That be me. Yeah. That's what it's like texting you and that one might be harder for us obviously to test because we're being covid compliant and we're keeping to our room. But I like the idea of of that happening. I mean there we were, you know, there we would be just having a normal conversation and all of sudden I'm telling you a really cool story. one of my early managers, her and her mom had the ability like they thought that they saw ghosts around them like sort of paranormal style. And I love the idea. I don't, I don't know what her feelings on that were if I don't remember if she was into it or not. But I love the idea of ghosts just sort of being like fully like you don't realize really that they're like, they're so opaque that you're just like, oh shit, that person just like if you were actually talking to a fully opaque not transparent person that you believe to be a real person, right? 13 Ghosts with the Goggles? No, no. Like Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Because there's no effects on those actors at all. They're just normal people. But so you're talking to like if I was talking to who I thought was how I describe them, but go ahead. Why? How would you describe them? I mean sorry. They're I mean they're just not opaque. They're still like completely like chopped up and bloody and have bits poking out of them, but they're not transparent and definitely not transparent. So what I mean, you're talking to somebody that's not transparent, that's not shadowy that you believe to be a human, you're talking to them and then they disappear in the middle of a conversation. Like you would that's that's so upsetting. Like that's not just like, oh I think I saw a ghost that's like holy fucking shit like where the security cameras. Yeah, that's right. That's like that's like something that you you don't recover from. I don't know like picture the picture that you meet someone in the lobby, right? You're talking to that person. Maybe she's a person checking you into your room or whatever. And then as you're looking at her and she's saying something, she just disappears. How would you react in that moment? Um Do I see her fade or is it just like a blinking gone? Whatever. Does it make a difference? It does well give us each reaction. I mean if she fades away then I'd be like what what the fuck? But if she is blinking on you would think she fainted or something. Well maybe it's just like you look around like where'd you go? And then you just think that he had you know some kind of mental lapse. You double check your water. Uh huh. You know maybe you're on drugs.
house museum. They even have an entire section dedicated to their hauntings. Again, another very good historical website. The merchant houses the only example of a 19th century family home within New York City that is still preserved and intact from its heyday. It was built on spec in 1832 by Joseph Brewster and then turns it on spec. It means that it was, it was spectrum. So it was built before there was a buyer and then somebody bought it. So like most, most homes, like I I only know the term because when I was in third grade, we moved from the oldest dairy farm in the United States to a development called strawberry fields. And you could choose because, well, the oldest dairy farm was built on spec before there was people before there was cows. No, I don't think so. I bet it was built by the family that owned it. But the or I know that it was. But moving into this neighborhood, there was options. You can either work with this construction company to build a house. Or you could buy a spec house. You have to build your own house. Well no, you would sort of pick out like I want these lights in this layout or whatever. You know, it's like a catalogue. Gosh, that's what you mean by work with the construction of. Yeah. Not that you would build it or you could buy one of the houses that was like what they would call a spec house that were already built, that they just built and they assumed someone would move into. And it also helped them market the neighborhood because they had these example houses that are already built. You're buying a demo model, right? But it's not like in the rest development where it's like all fake. It's just like a house that they it's like what? It's like a spec script, you you know that term, right? So like a spec script. I would write an episode of the Simpsons to show my abilities as a writer. I wouldn't pitch it to the Simpsons, right? It's just within a framework of the universe that people can relate to, Right? But the yeah, but it's the same idea. Yeah, you would actually, hopefully someone will move into the house, but it's kind of like your example house of like, yeah, someone will move in here eventually. Again, the house was built in 1832 by Joseph Brewster and it was turned into a museum just about 100 years later in 1936. The ghost story here is a classic one. The Treadwell family moved into the house just after it was built and lived there for almost 100 years quoting from the website. Some say they never left again. Here is an extended quote from the website because they can tell it better than I could. Okay Many believe. It's gertrude Treadwell in particular, who is watching over her family home. Born in an upstairs bedroom in 1840, the youngest of the Treadwell's eight Children. Gertrude never married and lived her entire life here until she died at the age of 93 in 1933. She was the last member of the family to occupy the house since the 1930s when the house opened to the public as a museum. Strange and inexplicable happenings have been reported sounds, sightings, smells by staff, volunteers, visitors, neighbors and even passers by thanks and even pets and even pets. Yeah. So the idea is, is kind of, that this home was occupied for 100 years by this family. Then when they died was immediately turned into this museum that preserved it as it was at the time. So it's never like it was this legacy home and then that was it. Well if you're saying that they never left and now guests are reporting strange smells. You've got to bury the bodies. That body management 101 got to put them in the marble cemetery. That's right. Bury them 10 ft down in vaults in marble vaults. Yeah, okay, so the Manhattan well is another nearby haunted the Manhattan. Well yeah and we could do an entire episode on this one and I actually think it was on my list because somebody told me like somebody requested an episode on this. So this might be something we explore more. Let's just scrape the surface here. Yeah. So here we go. The Manhattan well which is literally a well, it is now beneath a cause clothing store in Soho was the site of a truly horrific and highly scandalous murder. And this is at 1 29 Spring Street for all of you. A paranormal freaks out there. That's close to the the bubble tea spot. Yeah. Yeah. On December 22 1799. Gilma Elmore Sands was strangled and thrown into the well a few days later in early January 1800, her body was found, she had been last seen on the night of the murder after leaving her cousin's boardinghouse dressed up levi. Weeks was accused of the murder. Someone who sands had been seeing romantically and secret. Oh my the sands family placed her coffin outside of her boardinghouse in an effort to shame weeks it became this sort of witch hunt for him that were, everybody was like he did it, he did it, they placed her coffin there. Yeah. With her body in it. Yes. They also passed out pamphlets in the neighborhood accusing him. So they were really like drumming up the revenge of this person killed our beloved sister, daughter, whatever it was later found out that sands and weeks had planned on eloping that evening that she disappeared. And many kind of thought this was the final nail in his coffin like that. Something happened when they were about to elope and he killed her. This was where it gets interesting. Weeks had some famous lawyers, alexander Hamilton and Aaron burr. Oh what those guys, those guys from the dual, they owed a favor to his older brother, so they agreed to represent him at trial and because of their savvy weeks was acquitted. The jury only took five minutes to deliberate and found him not guilty. I mean they just did the old song and dance from the musical Hamilton despite this week's was still considered to be guilty by all of the community and was forced to leave the city. So he was acquitted even though everyone knew including the jurors that he was guilty. Like donald trump, oh, how history repeats itself. There are some additional complexities here. For example, Aaron burr started the Manhattan well, company. And again, this could be an episode on its own. So we're not gonna, we're not gonna go too deep into the history. But let's talk about the haunting. In the 19 nineties, a restaurant called Manhattan bistro decided to expand their cellar space and rediscovered the well. So it's interesting because back when I was going into the office before Covid, I would walk once a week from my office, which is in lower Manhattan to therapy, which is in midtown and I would pass by Manhattan bistro and I would always say this looks so cool, like it has a very cool exterior look to it and I'm not familiar with it. It's like along Sixth Avenue. And I would always be like, this was when my friend Sam was about to move and we were actually going to go there as like a final dinner, which I think fell through. But anyway, it's always been on my list to go. And when I found it in the research and now that I know it's haunted Even more, even more opportunity in the 1900s, this restaurant Manhattan Bistro decided to expand their cellar space and they rediscovered the well. Ever since then the male employees specifically started to feel uncomfortable in the basement of the restaurant. And of course as traditional hauntings seemed to go, glasses and dishware would fly across the room and smash into walls. Sometimes even wine bottles. People started to report getting locked in the wine cellar when they were down there alone and most terrifying, several people started to see a woman in the basement who was totally soaking wet. Uh huh. That's a little spooky. Yeah, it's like the ring, it with the, with the well and the, it's very much like the ring, which makes me question. But the ring is based japanese, exactly based on the book. So it's sings simply just a coincidence. Maybe wells are hot. I mean, yeah, people, I think wells are used often, especially around this time to kill people right as or to dispose of bodies and things like that. I wouldn't say as a way to dispose of a body because it's absolutely get found out. It's absolutely going to be found. Well, can I say sorry, quick sidebar on this note. So there's a new four part documentary out on netflix right now and I'm bringing it up because it's very relevant or talking about and because we've talked about this true crime case many times on this podcast, it's the case of ELISA Lam, who is the woman that went missing in L. A. At the it's we talked about this elevator when when we had our oh the Night Games episode. Yeah, the elevator game episode. So this documentary, it's produced actually by brian Grazer and Ron Howard. I will say it's a little bit drawn out and there's some tone deafness to certain parts of it. But it is a very good look at this case, which has become because it's one of those cases where I feel like it's like season one of the serial podcast where it's so addicting as someone who's into true crime because you it doesn't make sense and you really want to understand and figure out what happened to this person. And so it became this really huge thing for like web sleuths and and they became web sleuths and they became somewhat problematic actually in as they often do. But I just wanted to shout out that because we've talked about this several times and essentially how they find her body is that she's in the water tank on top of this hotel and people start to report that the water is tasting funny, it looks funny but Alright well, yeah. Yeah, exactly. The whole thing behind you can't hide a body in a well, it'll show itself. Yeah. So anyway, check that out because we've talked about it and it's a very sobering look at the case and I think it's I recommend it. You know, a very common way of sabotaging enemy's water supply would be to slit the throat of a goat and just throw the goat into a well, really? Yeah, wow, you didn't have to be a goat, but there's it's right, that's what we talked about with Miranda or sell on the Salween episode, the history of Halloween, where if you butchered animals and the home, people knew they didn't know why, but they knew even in ancient times that that would lead to bacteria and infection because the blood could get into the water, right. And so they blamed it on something magical, I believe, and kind of made a superstition around it. But it was like basic hygiene, right? That they knew that if we do this in the home, we're going to get sick and they thought it was like a curse or whatever, but it was really, you know, like they were right on the nose that yeah, you're going to get sick, you know? Okay. Final haunted hotspot in the bowery area. Haunted hotspot. That's right. Saint Mark's Church, also known as ST Mark's Church in bowery. We walked by this as well. Who just hours ago. Who is ST Mark? Because he's got a lot of things named after him. Well, he's got the street which is a street. Multiple streets. No, Yes, there's two ST Mark's just wanted me. I had one in Brooklyn. Oh boy, here we go. Mr History, You know, there's more than one second street. Miss History here. If you live in new york city or you've been here often enough, you may be familiar with our next ghost. Peter stuyvesant of stuyvesant Plaza, uh annan sty town. And there's so many things named after the stuyvesant family stuyvesant. The last dutch general of New Netherlands is now thought to haunt ST Mark's church. His body is buried in a vault below the church. ST Mark's church is the second oldest church in New york city. Second oldest, yes. What's the oldest trinity church is the one in Tribeca. Yes, exactly. And it's funny because it's actually right next to my office and you can see like there's a really cool graveyard there, which actually is where alexander Hamilton is buried. It's kind of a wild thing not to get too grim here, but When 9-11 happened, the towers fall pretty much like right around trinity cemetery intimidate church and it's in the graves are hundreds of years old. It's totally still intact. So it's kind of like a weird little slice of history in that area. You know, the Attorney Church is one of the largest real estate developers in the world. No, but I believe it, yeah, they're horrendously evil. Who it's good to know, huge, huge protest target during occupy Wall Street. Oh yeah, I forgot you are a big occupy guy. So ST Mark's Church again Is the second oldest church in New York City. It split from Trinity Church, the oldest in 1799 and it's actually built on top of where the family farm. The stuyvesant family farm was located back in the days of New Netherlands, which I think is I just love picturing the days of, of when New york city was not a city, you know, when it was just, I don't know if this was as an art project or as or whatever, they just started putting some farmland in Manhattan and restoring it to the original crops that were grown before colonization. That's cool. Yeah, you can you see it the photos that they took, where it's just like very traditional farmland with the New Jersey skyline in the background. There's there's also photos I've posted on instagram that I've found that are of very traditional farmland probably taken from maybe even Brooklyn or queens and then on the horizon is the Empire State building. So up until even that point, it was just there's so much farmland in the area, you know, it was this huge agriculture area and even the Empire State building. And it's so absurd looking because compared to this very flat land, is this huge, huge fucking building. Now, when you look at the new york skyline, it doesn't even look that big compared to the buildings around it, but at the time it was literally like shooting into the air above fields, like it's fucking crazy. Yeah. Yeah, kudos to whoever built the Empire State building. Mr Empire Mr Empire. Back to ST Mark's church. Current churchgoers report, hearing stuyvesant singing along during services quite loudly and always quite loudly and always in dutch ringing bells at inopportune moments. And I quote stomping around just dumping around overall. He seems to be quite a chaotic ghost. One of my favorite reports is that peter loves to take inventory of rum at the top of his lungs in dutch during services. How do you like to count his rum bottles? You know what's the word for roman dutch? Yeah. And I don't know I just like the idea of a ghost counting his liquor you know in the middle of a church service. Well I mean if your income Pauriol, yeah and you can enjoy your stock. Yeah, we'll count it might as well. So yeah. I mean those this is the tip of the iceberg. Even just for this section of Manhattan there's a lot of supposedly haunted areas and you know, I don't know if anything's going to happen tonight. I don't know if we're going to have some sort of crazy paranormal experience. I imagine we won't. I was going to say I imagine because I am with such a huge skeptic we probably won't and even if we do he won't believe it. But if we do we'll come back and we'll let you know about it. And if you don't hear more from us just assume we're okay.
mm It's clearly been updated. Well here we should set the stage I guess. Right. Sure the hotel is actually not that old but it is made to look Like it is from the 1920s really. Yeah it was built in 2007. Actually had me fooled the reason though why it's got such a haunted reputation Johnny Depp. Yeah it is a little bit of a celebrity haunt a celebrity joint and there's also a restaurant downstairs which is you know I know for a fact that he consorts with ghosts. He well he yeah he has stayed here robert Pattinson. Like there's a bunch of celebrities who have stayed here. I think it's it's got kind of like that funky soho vibe to it. It's like the neighborhood to that celebrities love to be in. You're not going to let me make my parents the caribbean joke. Oh sorry I didn't I wasn't I wasn't aware it's got a historic vibe even though it really isn't. The reason why it's got a haunted reputation though is because of the surrounding areas in the history of the block itself that this hotel sits on. So I have actually quite a few sources today. The first is the barrie hotel dot com. The second is marble cemetery dot org. A curbed new york article by James nevis hauntings at the bowery hotel on nyc ghost dot com merchants house dot org. Manhattan. Well, murder an article on atlas obscura secrets of Manhattan post by steve maja. And of course Wikipedia. Before we learn about its famous hotel, let's first talk about the bowery new york city's oldest street. Hang on before doing this research. Did you have any personal connection to the bowery To, to this area? Do you mean like the street? I fainted at Bowery Electric one time. Not not exactly what I meant. I don't know, do you? So I've always romanticized the bowery because I grew up reading spawn comics and that you know it he that takes place during you know, eighties and nineties new york when the bowery was just the absolute cesspool of Manhattan where just like the absolute rough and tumble even. It always sort of has until recently, until very recently in spawn, the bowery is like a magnet for all of the supernatural in new york. Cool. Which I think is really and also sort of, I think not so far off if you believe the barry has, it's sort of like a paranormal hotspot in Manhattan. Perhaps Todd McFarlane was ahead of his time. Well, if I had a nickel for every time I said that battery is just barry as a street Is just about exactly one mile long. It's a street that's nestled in lower Manhattan running through chinatown connecting soho in the lower east side. It runs north to south. So even before Manhattan was settled slash invaded by Europeans. The bowery was a footpath for the indigenous people spelled L. E N A P. And it spanned the entire island. So at the time it was probably similar to broadway where it was much longer. Now. Now it's exactly one mile. It's not the length of Manhattan Because then it just becomes 3rd Avenue. When the dutch moved into the area, they renamed the footpath, B. O. U. W. E. R. I. J. Road. I'm not gonna, I'm not pronouncing trying to today like a bowery um with a. J. Meeting farm at the time. This road connected farmlands in larger houses to the main city center, which was located in the financial district area of the city. We're going to talk about a few things later in the episode that are relevant to this basic history of new york right? There's a time period in the 1600s when there was a lot of Dutch farmland called New Netherlands where we are right now. So just want to make sure people kind of have a sense of the history of Manhattan. The Bowery Boys not talking about the podcast, but I am talking about the gang. Were they in gangs of new york? Yeah, so gangs of new york was sort of based upon this period of time in history, when great movie, when the bowery and this kind of downtown area of Manhattan was very rough and tumble, so to speak, the barry boys were an anti catholic, anti irish nativist criminal gang, that this was like their turf and this is just like to kind of give you a sense of the reputation of this area. It was very dangerous, there was a lot of violence. They were anti capital. What were they all? It says, I'm just doing a quick search on Wikipedia. It describes them as non irish Europeans, so they just didn't like the irish, they don't know, they were anti my family because there was a lot of prejudice back then, like There was a lot of prejudice against Italians against Irish, like in early days of the city there was a lot of different stigmas I suppose against these different types of different people coming from different parts of Europe. The battery hotel is located on Bowery in East Third Street in Manhattan. It houses 135 rooms and was brought to life by Sean McPherson and Eric Good in 2007. The hotel is home to a lobby, wow, it's amazing what else you got. The hotel is home to a lobby bar and gemma, which is a rather famous new york city restaurant and both many famous A list actor guests such as johnny Depp, such as johnny Depp Alan. So okay, we talked about, we talked about the hotel, right, the visuals of it, How would you describe it? So this looks very retrofitted because there are a lot of nuances such as like an exposed brick wall, old cast iron windows that have since been double double pane glass over, which is a very common style of retrofitting because you know, it's there much more energy efficient, they seal out sound, but it keeps the aesthetic of these florida ceiling wrought iron windows. The fact that this was built as a modern hotel is very surprising. Yeah, I read somewhere online that it it's just it's described as a fake old factory building. I mean, yeah, they did a great job. Yeah, it's sort of, I feel like in some ways like we're on the titanic, nothing about this feels fake, which is kind of awesome. I came into this knowing that this hotel was built in 2000 and seven and I still, I think my first, like my first thought was, wow, it's so vintage and old and I remember like, oh it's it's not, it just really feels like that they did a good job. Yeah, Sorry, that when you said it's like may it, it was made to look old. You just reminded me of the instagram post you sent me about the guy bleeding out and how you just imagine you're there, you're bleeding out terribly and yours quickly trying to throw on victorian clothes so that you are going to blend in with the other ghosts. I have to shout out to adam bastion for posting that I have to say because Alan doesn't have an instagram every time I want to share him something on instagram, I have to take a screenshot of it and text it to him and I can't share videos with him. I mean it's a little insight. You don't have my life that you could just fax it to me. New York's marble cemetery was built in 1830. What is new york's marble cemetery? That's what we're talking about right now. It's nestled right next to the bowery hotel on bowery and third surrounded by a high stone wall in wrought iron fence. When looking from outside the gate, it looks like a narrow alleyway, but it actually takes up most of the interior of the block. So at one time the address for the cemetery was known as 41st and a half third Street or Third Avenue. It had like a little fake made up. Oh, like the stupid uh station in harry potter. Yeah, exactly. Many people attribute the barry hotel's paranormal activity to its proximity to this cemetery. So you and I did a little walk by of the marble cemetery before. Yeah, earlier today. And On our way past 7 11, That's right next to a 711. The cemetery was the city's first non sectarian burial site, meaning it belongs to no specific church or religious group. To make matters more confusing. A second nonsectarian cemetery was built one year later in 1831. It's located at East Second Street between 1st and 2nd avenues. And instead of new york's marble cemetery, it's called new york city's marble cemetery. Direct competition. The cemetery business was booming. So that one is also very, very close. But today we're going to focus on the one that's literally like a joint to the hotel. But perhaps you can tell us why the cemetery business was booming. I will tell you right now. New york's marble cemetery had just over 2000 recorded burials over the time of its lifespan, so to speak, mostly from wealthy or quote unquote important figures of the time. There is a very interesting piece of history here. So at the time that this cemetery was erected, many people did not want to use coffins to bury the deceased because there were recent yellow fever outbreak. The city law had also banned earthen burials, which I assume just means bearing a body right into the earth. So thus enter Perkins Nichols who bought the land with the help of his two lawyer friends, he had the idea to construct marble vaults that would sit below the earth. So Nichols had 100 and 56 marble vaults built from tuckahoe marble and they are arranged in a grid like pattern. So there's six columns in the cemetery in 26 rows. The Vaults sit 10 ft below the earth and they're in pairs with no passages connecting them. So they're not technically like catacombs or anything, they're just sunk in vaults. Uh huh. The vaults were also built with locks and family members were given keys to open them. The marble. The website for the cemetery for new york marble. Cemetery is very rich in historical information. That goes into biographies of all of the people buried there. So if you're looking for kind of more information, I would they have like photos of the locks and how a lot of this stuff worked. But going back to the locks, most of them have been lost, or the locks on the great on the bolts have disintegrated. So if the cemetery needed to open a vault at this point, they would have to break into it. Yeah, I'm not expecting Some kind of metal locking mechanism to survive the open elements for 200 years. Yeah, that's a good point. And it's the keys that are kind of cool looking there like these brass brass, cool little weird looking keys. Anyway, on the website, there's pictures of all of this because you don't want them easily duplicated because then everybody and their brother just has a key to the you're dead family, you know, and they just go and they just open and put their own dead family in there. Too many people. And then it's just, you know, Yeah. How how can you possibly, you know, be exclusive then over half the original burials were that of Children. In fact the first person to be buried in the cemetery was a child of dr post at this time there were no antibiotics and so many people were lost pneumonia, cholera, whooping cough, scarlet fever. A lot of illnesses that we now obviously have treatment for. Some people think that the barrie hotel was built over some of these vaults. I mean it probably was the space that we saw pretty small. It is. Well the thing about the marble cemetery is that you can't see, you can't see it from the street where we were. There is kind of like an alleyway and there's gardens and stuff but you unless you have access to it which they open during the warmer months. They open like one weekend a year. They opened the graves to get them some air one month a year. But enjoy the summer sun. Uh But in the winter it's not open so we can't go into it right now. But here's the thing what's the thing because the vaults are sunk in just below the earth. Right. Right. So raccoons don't get in. There's this huge retaining wall like this huge, I don't know, 12 ft 10 ft stone wall around the edge of the cemetery. So from where we were today we couldn't see past that wall. But on the inside of that wall what they did instead of having grave markers is that on the wall itself there are marble slabs that have, you know the information that would normally be printed on a tombstone or a vault. So when you're in the, it's like that sign at the mall that tells you where all the stores are. Well there's one there's sort of like all over the wall and and kind of like near ish where the family vault probably is. There's a lot of information preserved. It's it's just sort of a weird and different set up of a cemetery. You know, it's it's not traditional. Like if you just looked at it from above, it would just look like an empty field with this high retaining wall with writing on it. So the top of The Sunken 10 ft down. So it's just like a piece of grass. Gotcha. Sorry, I I just imagine you'd still see the opening at the top, so everything is printed on the stone while around it. But you you would just walk over 100 and 56 volts and you don't know that they're below you, gotcha. So are the bodies just in there or was there coffins inside their vaults? So they're, they're fairly big. You could fit a whole family in a vault and yeah, they'd be in coffins. Kind of like, you can fit a whole family in any kind of vault if you get creative. You know what I mean? Like, Like, they're meant to be like, if you go to above ground cemetery, or like if you go to like a normal cemetery and you see like the big sort of, what's the word for it? Yeah, like a model. It's kind of like that, but sunken. They just, okay, so they're not that big, but they're they have like the shelves and whatever within them to fit all of the family members. So the idea of the keys is that at the time You could come in add family members, right. It was much more active now. It's been 200 years so people aren't coming in and out and the keys are all lost. But at the time, the idea was that you would add as people needed. Like this was your family plot. So basically it was like a crypt. Yes. But there wasn't that little like house thing that leads you down into it. It's just completely sealed off. And it was, yes. And the reason for that again was because of this yellow fever outbreak. So, they wanted to make sure that there was a really thick wall between the dead and the living. Why you didn't they just burn the bodies because they wanted they probably had religious, maybe feelings about cremation. I don't know. I mean, that's just speculation. I mean, it's pretty good speculation. If you are a yellow fever expert, let us know. All right, So why is this relevant? I'll tell you. I have no idea. We're going to talk about the hauntings at the bowery hotel. Okay. Yeah, I would I would love to. Okay great. The main point of interest here is the elevators. So we've taken the elevators a few times since we've been here already. How would you describe the elevator visually? So people can envision there's three elevators. I believe they're the size of like phone booths. They're very very very small. All wooden. It really feels like it was it was retrofitted. Yeah. They feel old and they do feel old and rickety feels like old elevator cage. Yeah. Without the cage. One of the most common reports of the paranormal at the Barrie Hotel is the elevators. Almost every article or review I found that mentioned ghosts at the hotel mentioned that the elevators are known to go wild, especially around one. a.m. The elevators are known to go up and down at will stop at random floors and kind of like generally go haywire around specifically one. a.m. There's also this one Trip Advisor review that somebody wrote that really was sort of haunting to me because it was just this normal like totally normal review of the hotel right? The first it was just like a paragraph 90 of it was just like yeah you know it was good service, whatever, you know X, Y. Z. Then the last sentence just says this hotel I think is actually haunted. Question mark, question mark, have you stayed there? Let me know. It was just like this weird thing of like I really think this hotel is haunted though. Right? So anyway that one that one left me with chills. Another common paranormal encounter at the battery is the woman in white. Multiple guests have reported being greeted by the woman in all white clothing as they enter their room for the first time. And I have to admit we were kind of deciding originally if we were going to come together like meat here or come together. And I was a little bit afraid at the idea of coming before getting here first and and coming up to the room by myself in case the woman in white was waiting for me. So I'm glad that we got we arrived together. I would have loved if I got here first. Yeah. And then during this episode, you tell me about the woman in white and I'm like, oh wow, yeah, that happened. It didn't happen. No, it didn't. And you also went out at one point to get some shelter and I was a little afraid but I have to say I haven't had, I have not had an experience yet. I got is not yet one I am, I gotta say my my my spooky meter is nearly in the negatives well, but isn't that always the case for you? I mean, Yeah, but how often are we in a haunted location? That's good. That means if something happens we'll have to believe it. Yeah. Open minds, open minds. Open hearts. Many believe that the spirit or spirits haunting the bowery have a poltergeist quality, meaning playful in somewhat sinister energy. Poltergeists are known for their ability to move physical objects. If you've seen the movie poltergeist from 1982 you may be familiar with this type of spirit. There's a scene where in the movie all of the kitchen furniture keeps getting rearrange, the chairs get kind of like stacked in funny ways and that's a little bit similar to some of the reports. So the spirits of the battery are known to use the lights to cause chaos flickering them on and off to move around hotel furniture. And they especially like to interrupt parties or events. So the battery is used fairly often for, it has like a really gorgeous event space that they sometimes hold awards ceremonies at. You know, it's like a very, or weddings, it's, it's kind of like a very swanky award space or event space. Yeah. If you were a ghost, what kind of ghost do you think you'd be? Probably like a really sad angry 1? So like the types like the grudge. No, I'm just kidding. I don't know, probably playful. That sounds fun. Right, poultry guys can get a little dangerous though, you know, they can take things too far. Sure. Why, what kind of ghost would you be? I feel like I'd be the type of person where some new tenant in an apartment is talking to one of their friends and says like, oh yeah, so you know, I got to meet the other roommate, he's pretty nice. We had like, you know, we had a cup of tea, all this stuff, we hung out and then person number two is like, oh shit, you saw him, that's the ghost. Yeah. Like you'd be you wouldn't realize that you were dead or it's just like, yeah, or you'd be really casual about it would be real real cash and they wouldn't yeah, they wouldn't know I was dead. Okay. But then no one would believe them. I like that. I did have I don't want to give away anything about the movie, the others. But when we first got here, I sort of had another's feeling that's not going to say about that. Although I also might be a bit poltergeist, poltergeist I think absolutely your poltergeist in real life. Yeah. Because like if I change the channel to what I want to watch, I feel like you're making a dig at the fact that I accidentally bought the music channel when we got here. The pay per view is haunted. Pay per view is haunted. Listen, it was not my fault. Okay. The event spaces also known as a place within the hotel where there's elevated activity and sometimes like the chairs and things when they're set up for events can get rearranged. But there have also been reports from guests that they'd be having a conversation with someone and that that person would disappear mid sentence. That be me. Yeah. That's what it's like texting you and that one might be harder for us obviously to test because we're being covid compliant and we're keeping to our room. But I like the idea of that happening. I mean there we were, you know, there we would be just having a normal conversation and all of sudden I'm telling you a really cool story. one of my early managers, her and her mom had the ability, like they thought that they saw ghosts around them like sort of paranormal style. And I love the idea, I don't, I don't know what her feelings on that were if I don't remember if she was into it or not. But I love the idea of ghosts just sort of being like fully like you don't realize really that they're like, they're so opaque that you're just like, oh shit, that person just like if you were actually talking to a fully opaque not transparent person that you believe to be a real person, right? Like 13 Ghosts with the Goggles? No, no, like Yeah, yeah, exactly, because there's no effects on those actors at all. They're just normal people. But so you're talking to like, if I was talking to who I thought was about how I describe them to go ahead, why? How would you describe them? I mean, sorry, they're I mean they're just not opaque, they're still completely chopped up in bloody and have bit spoken out of them, but they're not transparent at definitely not transparent. Right? So what I mean, you're talking to somebody that's not transparent, that's not shadowy that you believe to be a human, you're talking to them and then they disappear in the middle of a conversation. Like you would that's that's so upsetting. Like that's not just like, oh I think I saw a ghost that's like holy fucking shit, like where the security cameras? Yeah that's right. That's like that's like something that you you don't recover from. I don't know like picture the picture that you meet someone in the lobby, right? You're talking to that person. Maybe she's a person checking you into your room or whatever. And then as you're looking at her and she's saying something, she just disappears. How would you react in that moment? Um Do I see her fade or is it just like a blinking gone? Whatever does it make a difference? It does well give us each reaction. I mean if she fades away then I'd be like what what the fuck? But if she is blinking on you would think she fainted or something. Well maybe it's just like you look around like where'd you go and then you just think that he had you know some kind of mental lapse. You double check your water. Uh huh. You know, maybe you're on drugs. Alright. So because many believe that this area is, this area of new york is sort of like, again, this paranormal hotbed. Oh yeah, we're going to touch on a few other heavy hitters just to kind of give everyone a flavor of the neighborhood. You couldn't see her hand motion. But it was very good. Kind of kind of like drizzling some spice, drizzling some spice. Okay. In addition to the marble cemetery, there are quite a few haunted landmarks that are very close to this hotel. Nearby. At 29 East fourth Street, you will find the old Merchant.
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