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Ep: 114 Advanced Wind Hunting Strategies with Jon Teater of Whitetail Landscapes

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Jon Teater of Whitetail Landscapes in central New York joins us again on the podcast to talk about advanced wind hunting strategies. He explains the fundamentals of air movement across various terrain features, thermals, aspect, prevailing winds, seasonal considerations, fog and more. It can take a
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Jon Teater of Whitetail Landscapes in central New York joins us again on the podcast to talk about advanced wind hunting strategies. He explains the fundamentals of air movement across various terrain features, thermals, aspect, prevailing winds, seasonal considerations, fog and more. It can take a lifetime of hunting to understand air movement and Jon is sharing his experience with the listeners to help shorten your learning curve. Thanks Jon!
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And, you know, I think many people have kind of probably heard the old adage that you can get away with the deer seeing you once in a while if they don't really know what you are, and you can get away with the deer hearing you if they don't really know what you are. But if they catch wind of you and they smell you, you're in big trouble. Makes life pretty hard. So that's what we're here to talk about. Lead right? And John talk a little bit about when you're talking to people. You're coaching them on their property design for habitat. You know, the wind is a huge consideration. So, like, how How do you go about coaching people through the basic tips that they need to understand about wind? Yeah, I think if you have a visual sense of wind, right, And a lot of people this is difficult to do in the Northeast, specifically in New York were re hunt. We get a lot of, uh right now we get a lot of fall drop right, there's leave papers. There's everybody out there is looking at, You know what's going on. I like to watch leaves fall, and that's an indicator of how wind travels right, so had to can visualize wind and visualize it in some aspect. One consideration I like later in the season when we get snow. That's one of the best indicators, or at least shows visually how how wind flows through terrain and objects. Lot of people are hunting different types of terrain topography, bottoms, Belize, near water sources that all impacts the way that the wind travels through the landscape. And there's another element of this. There's a thermal aspect of it, Um, and there's ties in ties into to, uh, barometric pressure and and a whole host of other aspects that influence the wind and and everything is energy based. The sun produces energy, it reads the ground, and as a result it impacts the way it moves. Impacts, temperature impacts, thermal thermal conductivity. So there's a lot of depth to to win that you need to start to think about. But the first part is understanding what it looks like. And the easiest way to do that. And years ago, I used to take up leaves in my my hand when I was in the tree stand. I was I was a kid. It was, you know, I didn't have a wind indicator. I had leaves and I would throw leaves out. I'd watch where they would fall. I was in the tree set pretty rudimentary type scenario a lot of people use today. They use, uh, pods or milkweed. Common milkweed is pretty popular, and there's other things that you use. But visualizing wind is probably the first area that I would start, And I think once they start, people take mental note of that. They start to understand that it's a dynamic that's variable. There's nothing consistent about the wind. The wind is the most inconsistent component of the hunting, and the wind should decide not just when to hunt, but where to hunt. And that's a critical aspect of considering when, and that's that's what I focus on, and I don't want to see my sermons with my discussions. When we're talking about landowners, that's that's where I start. That's a great starting point, is the visualization of it and thinking of it in that term. And like you said about using pods, I do the same milkweed pods. I've used the little spray bottles of almost like a baby powder kind of stuff that that works, too. And it's funny, like when you start looking at it. It's dynamic, isn't it? It's like when you start looking at when you get a picture of just how how much it flows and it's even if it's just going in one direction and there's a prevailing wind. Airflow doesn't just work like that. It's like it's flowing all over the place and it's moving, and it's going up and down and swirling around. It just gives you an idea of what your micro climate is. For that hunting scenario, you have touched on terrain features and your experience. John. What are some of the considerations like? How do different terrain features influence wind If we're ready for that part of the conversation yet, Yeah, I mean terrain features like a mountainous terrain. Anything really above 200 ft, I would say, and particularly my area. I'm hunting pretty mountainous terrain. No, the variation in in some of these these hills are anywhere between 5 to 700 ft, kind of above the valleys. That's pretty significant. That's pretty common. A lot of areas that I've traveled to The one thing that you find is is those terrain features not only retard wind, you know, they they basically create some vortexes or Eddie's a lot of times on the leeward side or the opposing side. As wind travels across the feature, you'll get a combination of rotating wind, and that rotating wing could be a symptom of error being displaced because of other air masses. And then the other piece of it is the introduction of thermals. Thermals are rising and falling of air based upon the heating and cooling of the surface. And what you'll find is as wind comes over hillside on the leeward side a lot of times using the tops and bottoms but depends on the slope of the hill side. You'll get to see, you know, heavy, heavy deer trails, and that's really the result of kind of wind. Pulling in those areas and and turning and turning for taxing essentially is the correct term. And, uh, that becomes a source of interest for dear, because we think about it dear, you know, use their sense of smell like you kind of introduce initially. It's if their number one mechanism for gauging their environment. Uh, it's It's so cute and toned into what's going on. You know, it's it's essentially their main source of information, and that information, you know, is critical to their survival. So from from a safety standpoint, the deer are going to use basically the weather and wind as a result of that to their benefit. And I think one thing that people think about is the concept of wind based betting or thermal betting. There's thermal wind betting. Those are big decision makers when we start to get an advanced decisions and how to hunt deer and where dear eventually locate themselves. But just from the general wind standpoint, you know, these mountains create a lot of friction, and so does so do, uh, trees and shrubs and small vegetation. And, uh, that plays in a lot like moisture and speed of wind. And there's there's a whole host of considerations when you start talking, you know, variation at different elevations and barometric pressures and other components. Barometric pressure changes with elevation. It's on the ground. It's it's usually higher in elevation, it starts to decrease, and I think people don't think about that. But that impacts how wind flows as well. So you know, it's it's kind of a complicated topic, but you got to look at your elevation when you're considering, you know, the impacts and how wind may or may not flow, so that's that's one.
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