and they are themselves learning how to do uh some parts of special uh individual design needs, one for all the more high needs individual. So it is a it's been a constant learning experience for us. That's incredible. Now. It seems to me and correct me if I'm wrong. Uh inclusive schools are pretty difficult to find in Malaysia or were at that time. So what made your husband decided to do this? Yeah, again, I I think uh fundamentally is our heart and his heart for families. Uh and and that that ethos has been brought into ISIS. That we need to serve the families, but to serve the families, we need to equip the educators in that area. And in ISIS, we've taken it to equipping our therapist. Um so 111 of the key difference that I I drive myself for oasis other than uh the therapeutics really who were done wonderfully by the clinicians and professionals is to ensure that there is continuous learning uh contracts learning by parents, by the professionals, whether they are clinicians or educators, the whole community i members from oasis place at various professional development opportunities. And it seems that Malaysia has quite a few professionals or gurus in the field I guess come to Malaysia. So you guys provide quite a few opportunities for that lori. But if I may say that that opportunity was open when we deliberately and intentionally invited both international resources uh as well as local resources to do that learning. Uh Because as a parent um we originally had most of our intervention in Singapore. Now if you if you go back uh I think almost 10 years ago now. Mhm. Even in international schools in Malaysia at that point they had to perhaps fly in clinicians or psychologists to do assessments. That was the environment then. Yeah. And uh Joshua, the family actually, we've always uh done this as a family because the kids were very young. Then Joshua was two and Aaron was kind of five. We would go to Singapore every every quarter at that time to get his sensory integration therapy. Mm just once, once a quarter, once a quarter intensively for intensive. And we would then continue his weekly intervention here. So, our experience has been schooled in many ways. Um I have to kind of track back from the time when Joshua was diagnosed. Uh that was 2010 in february, in May of 2010 chapman and myself, my husband and myself uh together with um our pediatrician, um attended uh the A. R. I. The autism research Institute conference in Atlanta. That was I think the pivotal event that gave us as parents and as professionals, the world of possibilities in autism. Mm hmm. And I learned from there that if we opened the learning opportunity to every tear, not just the professionals, I was there to attend as a parent, right? But I was given an opportunity to choose whichever level of learning uh that was available and that imprinted in us that we have choices, but we do have to work at finding them and we do have to work at faithfully um doing the interventions once we've been exposed to it. So we came back. Uh I'm sorry, I'm tracking back and forth back and forth. Having attended that conference, which was attended by professionals. We then um made up our mind that as parents, as parents, we can work towards healing autism for Joshua. Okay. That that was in in 2020 10. Yeah. As parents. Mhm. So, so that's why I when I was encouraged to put the role of mother on my call card and noises place, um, I think having a mother role, um, and a professional role you can have different benefits, uh, to understanding. And when I share. Yeah. And when you say healing, I'm assuming you're not meaning curing autism. You mean healing some of the symptoms of autism. Is that thank you. Thank you so much for for differentiating that Yes, sure. I think as as parents and as professionals we have as parents, particularly. We we are our child's advocate. Have to be hopeful. Yeah. And, and and believe that it can be different.