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Oprah and Lady Gaga: Your Life in Focus

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As a part of WW presents Oprah’s 2020 Vision: Your Life in Focus Tour, Grammy- and Oscar-winner Lady Gaga sits down with Oprah in front of a live audience in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Lady Gaga talks honestly about the lessons she’s learned as an international pop star, actress and cultu
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As a part of WW presents Oprah’s 2020 Vision: Your Life in Focus Tour, Grammy- and Oscar-winner Lady Gaga sits down with Oprah in front of a live audience in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Lady Gaga talks honestly about the lessons she’s learned as an international pop star, actress and cultural icon. As she says, “There’s a discipline for passion, and it’s not about how many times you get rejected or you fall down or you’ve been beaten up; it’s how many times you stand up and are brave and you keep on going.” Lady Gaga also shares intimate details on how and why she created her famous persona, which she describes as a “superhero.” She talks about her personal traumas, her struggle with chronic pain, and her daily rituals of mental and physical wellness. Lady Gaga also shares her greatest spiritual awakening.
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So when you are raped and you have no way of processing that the triggers come in all forms and ways that you cannot predict and show up in your life in areas that at the time you don't know that this is mental illness you shared with me that you became a cutter. I did. And that and that you have scars from cutting. Can you explain to me because I have girls at my school who cut and I still to this day don't understand what it means. And I know if you are in this audience, some of you have raised daughters who were cutters. What? What what What is that? Well, I like to say I used to cut um, as opposed to saying Qatar. And I think I did say that with with you in our interview. I love you too, sweetheart. Um uh, I like to say I used to cut as opposed to I am a cutter because then that like like I can identify with it, and that's not healthy for me. And when you speak things out into existence, you're feeding back something to your brain that you don't want to write. So I used to coat cutting for me, I believe happens for a variety of reasons. I also used to throw myself against the wall. I mean, I used to do some horrible things to myself when I was in pain. And the truth is, is there's two reasons I believe that this happens and this is my own personal expertise. Just from my experience is that for half a second, right, If you call it, you get some relief from the other pain that you're feeling because you have pain somewhere else. But then after what happens is is then you see the blood and then you feel chaotic, and then you spiral more and more out of control, and it is actually not helpful in any way, and it is going to make your spiral worse. It will make the neurotic state that you're in something that is going to be prolonged instead of shortening the amount of time that you're in it. Another reason, though, that people cut also is to show. And my mom and I always say, with born this way foundation, tell me, don't show me so sometimes I would cut because I didn't want to feel pain and other times I would cut because I wanted to show people that I was in so much pain. You were in pain and I needed
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every time asking you shall be given what has been your greatest spiritual awakening. I think my greatest spiritual awakening actually has been quite recent. I think it's that I realized that I have the chronic pain that I have for a reason. And I don't mean to be like God gave it to me, you know? And I also don't believe in that, like, you know, karma thing where, like, you're sick because you did something bad. But I do believe that this happened for a reason. All the things I've been through, I think they were supposed to happen. I was supposed to go through this, even the right, even the rape, all of it. I think I was supposed to go through all of these things. I radically except that they happened. And I think it happened because God was saying to me, I'm going to show you pain and then you're going to help other people who are in pain because you're going to understand it because you can't. I can't. I can't look away because now when I see someone in pain, I can't look away because I go. No, you're in pain. I'm in pain, too. And then now I'm in problem solving mode. I got my suit on and my heels and I'm ready to
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every time asking you shall be given what has been your greatest spiritual awakening. I think my greatest spiritual awakening actually has been quite recent. I think it's that I realized that I have the chronic pain that I have for a reason. And I don't mean to be like God gave it to me, you know? And I also don't believe in that, like, you know, karma thing where, like, you're sick because you did something bad. But I do believe that this happened for a reason. All the things I've been through, I think they were supposed to happen. I was supposed to go through this, even the right, even the rape, all of it. I think I was supposed to go through all of these things. I radically except that they happened. And I think it happened because God was saying to me, I'm going to show you pain and then you're going to help other people who are in pain because you're going to understand it because you can't. I can't. I can't look away because now when I see someone in pain, I can't look away because I go. No, you're in pain. I'm in pain too. And then now I'm in problem solving mode. I got my suit on
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that path has led me. I am sitting right next to you every time asking you shall be given what has been your greatest spiritual awakening. I think my greatest spiritual awakening actually has been quite recent. I think it's that I realized that I have the chronic pain that I have for a reason. And I don't mean to be like God gave it to me, you know? And I also don't believe in that, like, you know, karma thing where, like, you're sick because you did something bad. But I do believe that this happened for a reason. All the things I've been through, I think they were supposed to happen. I was supposed to go through this, even the right, even the rape, all of it. I think I was supposed to go through all of these things. I radically except that they happened. And I think it happened because God was saying to me, I'm going to show you pain and then you're going to help other people who are in pain because you're going to understand it because you can't. You can't. I can't look away because now when I see someone in pain, I can't look away because I go. No, you're in pain. I'm in pain too. And then now I'm in problem solving. Well, I got my suit on.
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I'm being watched and I want to do the right thing here. So tell me what to say. Tell me how to say it and help me see the path. And if you show me that path, I will walk down it. And do you know what Oprah? Look where that path has led me. I am sitting right next to you, Does it every time asking you shall be given what has been your greatest spiritual awakening. I think my greatest spiritual awakening actually has been quite recent. I think it's that I realized that I have the chronic pain that I have for a reason. And I don't mean to be like God gave it to me, you know? And I also don't believe in that, like, you know, karma thing where, like, you're sick because you did something bad. But I do believe that this happened for a reason. All the things I've been through, I think they were supposed to happen. I was supposed to go through this, even the right, even the rape, all of it. I think I was supposed to go through all of these things. I radically except that they happened. And I think it happened because
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Yes, One of the things that we discussed in l one of the things that surprised me when we talked about it in in the recent magazine you were saying? I was saying, You have spend a lot of times shocking the world. That meat dress was the first time we all like we're kind of a gas. And you said you have now reached a point in your life where you don't feel the need to create some identity of shocking people. Yes, I think it was something that I enjoyed, uh, to bemused people, you know, so that they would listen to the music and that there was sort of a state of confusion of Who is this woman? I don't really, uh I'm like it's kind of like, you know, watching a train wreck, you know? But the truth is that that was part of my art form was how do I get people to see and watch and listen and become engaged with me on a personal level, even though it felt quite superficial, I think for a lot of people, and it's changed since then because number one, uh, it's no longer shocking to have pink hair, Uh, and number two. I think the most shocking thing that I could possibly do is be completely vulnerable and honest with you about my life. How would I've been through the struggles that I've seen, that I've also been a part of and share that with the world so that I can help other people who are suffering and one of those things that I deeply care about?
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one of the things that surprised me when we talked about it in in the recent magazine. You were saying? I was saying, You have spend a lot of times shocking the world. That meat dress was the first time we all like we're kind of a gas. And you said you have now reached a point in your life where you don't feel the need to create some identity of shocking people. Yes, I think it was something that I enjoyed, uh, to amuse people, you know, so that they would listen to the music and that there was sort of a state of confusion of Who is this woman? I don't really, uh I'm like it's kind of like, you know, watching a train wreck, you know? But the truth is that that was part of my art form was how do I get people to see and watch and listen and become engaged with me on a personal level, even though it felt quite superficial, I think for a lot of people, and it's changed since then because number one, uh, it's no longer shocking to have pink hair. Uh, and number two, I think the most shocking thing that I could possibly do is be completely vulnerable and honest with you about my life. How would I've been through the struggles that I've seen, that I've also been a part of and share that with the world so that I can help other people who are suffering and one of
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responsibility to this whole world. One of the things that we discussed an l one of the things that surprised me when we talked about it in in the recent AL magazine. You were saying? I was saying, You have spend a lot of times shocking the world. That meat dress was the first time we all like we're kind of a gas. And you said you have now reached a point in your life where you don't feel the need to create some identity of shocking people. Yes, I think it was something that I enjoyed, uh, to bemused people, you know, so that they would listen to the music and that there was sort of a state of confusion of Who is this woman? I don't really, uh I'm like it's kind of like, you know, watching a train wreck, you know? But the truth is that that was part of my art form was how do I get people to see and watch and listen and become engaged with me on a personal level, even though it felt quite superficial, I think for a lot of people, and it's changed since then because number one, uh, it's no longer shocking to have pink hair. Uh, and number two. I think the most shocking thing that I could possibly do is be completely vulnerable and honest with you about my life. How would I've been through the struggles that I've seen, that I've also been a part of and share that with the world so that I can help other people who are suffering and one of
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this whole world? Yes, One of the things that we discussed an l one of the things that surprised me when we talked about it. And in the recent magazine you were saying I was saying, You have spend a lot of times shocking the world. That meat dress was the first time we all like we're kind of a gas. And you said you have now reached a point in your life where you don't feel the need to create some identity of shocking people. Yes, I think it was something that I enjoyed, uh, to bemused people, you know, so that they would listen to the music and that there was sort of a state of confusion of Who is this woman? I don't really, uh I'm like it's kind of like, you know, watching a train wreck, you know? But the truth is that that was part of my art form was how do I get people to see and watch and listen and become engaged with me on a personal level, even though it felt quite superficial, I think for a lot of people, and it's changed since then because number one, uh, it's no longer shocking to have pink hair. Uh, and number two, I think the most shocking thing that I could possibly do is be completely vulnerable and honest with you about my life. How would I've been through the struggles that I've seen, that I've also been a part of and share that with the world so that I can help other people who are suffering and one of
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well, the need to create some identity of shocking people. Yes, I think it was something that I enjoyed, uh, to bemused people, you know, so that they would listen to the music and that there was sort of a state of confusion of who is this woman? I don't really, Uh I'm like it's kind of like, you know, watching a train wreck, you know? But the truth is that that was part of my art form was how do I get people to see and watch and listen and become engaged with me on a personal level, even though it felt quite superficial, I think for a lot of people, and it's changed since then because number one, uh, it's no longer shocking to have pink hair Mhm, Uh, number two. I think the most shocking thing that I could possibly do is be completely vulnerable and honest with you about my life. How would I've been through the struggles that I've seen that I've also been a part of and share that with the world so that I can help other people who are suffering? And one of those things that I deeply care about is mental health. Yes, Gaga has agreed so graciously to be a part of a series that I'm doing for Apple TV with Prince Harry on mental health, and she's agreed to allow us actually to follow her through a lot of the process, one of the things that struck me when you were at the Oscars.
you can be here, right? And then you have your vision. And then all of a sudden, the two merge, they come together. You become a lion. Yes. And you say that Lady Gaga create the creation of Gaga actually gave Stephanie the wings to fly Gaga myself has given me the wings to fly. And what I was going to, you know, add is that now, after almost over a decade of being in the industry, I really recognize my position that people are watching me now. I could hyper focus on being objectified or being in tabloids are being gossiped about. But you know what I'm thinking to myself. Oh, the world is watching and I have something important to say and I want to change people's lives. And now my mission is different and I have a responsibility to this whole world. One of the things that we discussed an l one of the things that surprised me when we talked about it in in the recent magazine you were saying? I was saying you have spend a lot of times shocking the world. That meat dress was the first time we all like we're kind of a gas. And you said you have now reached a point in your life where you don't feel the need to create some identity of shocking people. Yes, I think it was something that I enjoyed, uh, to bemused people, you know, so that they would listen to the music and that there was sort of a state of confusion of who is this woman? I don't really, Uh I'm like it's kind of like, you know, watching a train wreck, you know? But the truth is that that was part of my art form was how do I get people to see and watch and listen and become engaged with me on a personal level, even though it felt quite superficial, I think for a lot of people and it's changed since then because number one, uh, it's no longer shocking to have pink hair. Mhm, uh, and number two. I think the most shocking thing that I could possibly do is be completely vulnerable and honest with you about my life. How what I've been through the struggles that I've seen, that I've also been a part of and share that with the world so that I can help other people who are suffering and one of
when you were speaking on stage at the Oscars about working. It's not about winning. It's about never giving up. All the times you were beaten up and you kept getting up. What kept you getting up, all of you? Mhm. Okay. And women like you, Faith, inspiration, hope. And I also have to say I have to say and I know that this is controversial in a lot of ways, but medicine really helped me and I I think a lot of people are afraid of medicine for their brains to help them. And I really want to just raise the stigma around this because I am sick of saying it over and over and over again. And also, by the way, if your primary care doctor is prescribing you an antidepressant, this should not be happening. Your primary care doctor should be introducing you to a psychiatrist who is an expert in brain medication. And what What moves me so much in this space and why I want to work so heavily and much more thoroughly through it in the future is that not everybody has access to these things. And not everybody has the money for these things and I want the money for it. I want the best doctors in the world and I want us to understand the brain and all get on the same page about it so that Gen Z does not have to deal with this the way that we are right now. Mental health is a crisis. And so medication has helped you medications helped me tremendously. I mean, I I take an anti psychotic. I'm in the 1.4 percentile of people that do. Um, But if you didn't take that medicine, what would happen? What would your life be like? Um, I would I would spiral a spiral very frequently and I would spasm in my sleep. Wow. So are you able to remain creative in the midst of the pain? Yes. Really? Yes. And that has come from both medicine therapy, dialectical behavioral therapy, cognitive therapy, CBT therapy, CBT therapy. Yes. And also it's come through something that I learned through DVT, which is called radical acceptance. I am sitting here mhm with arguably the most powerful woman on the planet. Thank you. And I have radically accepted that I will put my shame in a box all the way over there and make it very small. Mm. And say to myself, I have mental health issues. I take a lot of medication to stay on board, and I'm a survivor and I'm living and I'm thriving, and I'm strong, and I'm going to take all my life experiences, and I'm going to share them with the world and make it a better place. Wow.
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