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Listen now to snippet “Mike Aspinall on Human Creativity” from Courage & Spice, the podcast for humans with Self-doubt. Building life skills through crafting.
If self-doubt is holding you back in your relationships, career, creativity or your business, Courage & Spice is especially for you. You’ll find inspiring conversations about all things self-doubt - including real-life stories and research-led approaches to help you navigate through it. I’m Sas Petherick and my work is all about helping you cultivate self-belief.
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a Tudor, an approach to life rather than something that you haven't end product with the heck yeah, you're right. I think it's, I think, is what sets humans apart from anything else. Well, I think, Well, I read a really interesting article. I can't remember where it was actually recently, and it said that creativity is three only thing that will keep the human race going, and it sounds quite dark. But with the rise of robotics and AI, the only thing that they can't do is true creativity on, you know, create something from nothing. They can do all the kind of rational things, and to a degree, they can mimic creativity. But they can never replicate true human creativity. It's something unique bond magical about human beings, and it's it's such a shame that people lose touch when they get into adulthood. From that, I think it Z it's really sad because everybody has it has at their fingertips, and they just don't tap into it because they feel they can't access it or it's not kind of a serious thing to do, you know, they think they grow out of it. Onda. It's just it's just not true. It's interesting, isn't it? Because there's something quite vulnerable about being willing to make something like just because you're you're faced with, you know that it may not match the vision of what you had in your mind or that you're, um, it won't work or it won't it won't look or feel the way you want it. Thio. There's a there's a kind of invitation to sort of fail, really, Every time you make something, and I wonder if there's something about that where we just it's actually quite courageous about being willing to have a go or something? Yeah, I think that that's yeah, definitely a valid point. I think that there is a fear off failure like you say, and also kind of that humiliation and frustration off spending so long trying to make something we'll say so long. It could even be just half an hour on. It comes out looking really amateurish, and I think that people shy away from that. They think, Oh, it's not for May. I can't do it then I just find it crazy that in the same respect, I mean who is doing the job they're doing now? and walked into it with all the abilities that they're currently doing or hobby that they do a sport. They play. Or you know, that people go to university for 34 plus years and study into a field, and it's only then that they feel they can do it. So why do they expect to be able to get into craft thing and do it so well that I don't think that's a reason Thio to not do it well and also having having a sense of humor to carry with it? It is so, like I felt find that deeply important for my own kind of creative pursuits. And I have to say, like I am a late bloomer to the bake off. I know the great British Bake Off was kind of like I took me until really just the last couple of seasons that I started to watch it because I just thought, Oh, you know, there seems to be some contrived to drama here about whether or not the oven's on is hot enough, you know, and we've got, you know, kind of flat cakes and things. I didn't really get it, but it wasn't until I started watching the after show where they show the photos off people trying to replicate the bakes. And they're just terrible. But they bring so much joy to the whole nation like everyone is trying to make a bloody hedgehog cake. Yeah, and no one's getting it right. And it just struck me that actually, there's something incredibly lovely and human about being a bit crap. It's a swell. Yeah, I love that attitude. That's fantastic, because I think that is what gets you through those moments of disappointment and frustration. You just laugh at what you've done. Yeah, I mean, does it really matter? You've wasted a bit of time, but hopefully you've enjoyed the process. You've learned something along the way and you've engaged your hands, and that created part of your mind. That's that's fantastic. But yeah, I agree. I think a sense of humor does help. It's like the whole Pinterest fails. The world of Pinterest fails and you see people that try to replicate these beautiful Pinterest creations that are nigh on impossible for the average human to Dio And yeah, I know I've had a lot of them in my time. Well, and there was the whole site, wasn't there when it's e started to become a thing called regret See, which I just thought it was brilliant. You know, some of us about cruel, but actually quite funny to just yet. Be that kind of human. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. So why do you think that we kind of lose our, um, at inclination Thio create and to make? I think there are this loads of factors. I think part of it taps into what I was saying about the industry. I just don't think the industry is set up a tall to encourage anybody who isn't into sort of pink and florals and kind of I don't like the term but kind of granny crafts, that kind of thing. Anybody that isn't really in that box, I think, will struggle to find representation and be inclined to stay in that kind of world as they grow out of the kid craft sort of area. But I think as well, the whole kind of educational system and kind of that very linear path that we set ourselves on of going to school, working, getting grades, going to university or, you know, maybe doing further education or going straight in tow, work on working our way up the ladder. It doesn't reward creativity, Unfortunately, unless you are kind of, you know, an artist or an actor or a chef, something that is clearly very creative and study more unusual. Job choice. E think it's not seen as a very, um, serious kind of hobby, whereas I passionately believe it's the opposite. I think it is a hugely critical part off off life to create and to find enjoyment in making things e wonder. Like what? Because it strikes me that it's right for being a kind of metaphor, right? For For you know, how you make something is kind of probably how you approach anything. That's a complex problem. Mhm. And I wonder if you found that if if it's kind of talk just the act of making what that's taught you about yourself, Yeah, that's a really great question. Actually, I think the benefits of crafting go way outside of the craft room or what you're doing there. I think they teach you really valuable problem solving skills on bond. It gives you kind of an almost innate ability, Thio unpick a problem, whether it be in a physical problem or, um or theoretical problem on kind of break it down because that's that's, you know, it's what I've personally been doing for years with crafts kind of building things up from nothing. But it also, you know, teach you to use your hands. It teaches you to step away from screens, things like that. All of these are hugely beneficial that go way outside the simple act off crafting. Well, I imagine as well you kind of develop some trust in yourself because you sort of have to trust that you'll figure it out or that you'll do something with it, even if it's not clear right at the start. Yep, definitely. And the more you do things like this more, you pick up small solutions and kind of techniques and abilities that you don't really know when they're going to be useful further down the line. So you might think that I'm just spending a bit of time kind of making something that actually when something breaks and you need to fix it, for instance, that's quite useful, and you can trust in your ability to actually do that because you've refined the skills a little more on your just more engaged with that kind of physical using your hands kind of work. Yeah. Yeah, well, and I imagine as well there's something about the willingness Thio give something a go without having all of the instructions available. Yeah, I think it takes a lot off I might have. Courage is the right word. That's maybe making a little bit more dramatically. Need to be that there's a lot off. Um, e guess self assurance that you need in order to throw yourself into a task without really knowing how it's gonna come out. Sometimes you just need to sort of put pen to paper or, you know, we should say scissors to paper on. Just see what comes out of it. Well, and e mean all of these things, that s it's off, Like doing what used to be called like an old fashioned apprenticeship. Will you? Actually, you know, do your time and you learn different skills and you you become a non artisan. Really? I guess that's that's what all the all the guys with the beards are calling themselves these days s. That's the trendy. Would Yeah, yeah, but I guess one of the things I'm thinking about is just when you said about stepping back from screens and actually being willing Thio, try and figure something out just with your own hands. That that is kind of an anathema or how many of us live our lives right now there is thats kind of assumed expertise and sort of pop up celebrities everywhere. And actually, the simple act of crafting is is kind of deceptively simple. And it requires, like, some devotion and some patients and trust and things that you know are sadly kind of no common qualities these days. You're right. Yeah. It forces you to slow down to really, really slow down on focusing on what you're doing it. It's a form of mindfulness and meditation. Really. It's certainly my the closest that I get to true kind of meditation and true slowing down and really being in the moment, because how often in our crazy, fast paced world do you really stop? Andi, forget about I think around you and just do something. Just look at something in front of you and do something with it Rather than thinking about the next five things on your to do list or watching the clock because you've got to be somewhere. It's such a rarity nowadays, and I think making time for that kind of creative pursuit is just so so important to I feel fulfilled, like
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