so I wanna welcome We've already talked. Started talking a little bit, but I wanna welcome Freaking Patton Oswalt Thio our podcast. This is a horror movie survival guide, and I'm flustered already. So can you do a better intro than that? Yeah, I've never heard you so flustered. Terry, This is adorable. I'm a really big who is it? Okay, nerd. And like I just dying, dying? Uh, of course you know him and love him from from fucking everything. I mean, it's patent physical. Also also welcomed horror movie survival guide we wanted you to have on you e wanted to have on you for a while and then Like Like I think your wife is really cool. So I respect that space. Um, and like you and and just everything ap bio is like one of my favorite shows. Like, I don't know, I could go on, but we're not. I want to find out more about you from you, not me. Lab oring. About you. Um uh Julie What? Where do we start? Hello. Hello, Patton, by the way, have on you? Sounds like seventies funk. Slang like that should be a song by parliament. Like girl I wanna have on you. Come on. That was totally Yeah. It's like, Get down on it. You're like, Well, what does it really mean? Get down on it. How to get up to get down still. Yeah. So I guess we are a horror podcast. Let's start with your horror beginnings. Um, what is the first horror film you could remember watching my first horror film? I very specifically remember watching, um and this was again This was the seventies. Ah, lot of a lot of, well meaning bad parenting. All right. Um, my parents took me. I was four or five. My parents took me to a Halloween activity day at the local library and Custom meadows, California's four year old. And we made cookies. And we did cut outs. And they told us ghost stories. And then one of the parents again totally well meaning had an eight millimeter print. Remember, you could order eight millimeter movies and show them in your home. That was before VCRs that Ugo, like in the back of, like, catalogs and books and stuff like that. Right? Famous monsters. That's where you would order them. Um, they showed Fw Murnau's Nosferatu, 1922. Silent. No thinking by the way, thinking Well, it's an old silent film. That's when everything was fine for everybody. These are all G rated. That film. Everyone was. All the kids were screaming and freaking out because it has. And I I specifically watched it again earlier this year because I was thinking about that memory going, I bet because I was five years old and that's that movie by even by today's standards, is not. It's not that it has creepy parts to it. It's nonstop disturbing. It's all it is, is disturbing imagery, and that's all it is. It's amazing on a za kid what sticks with you, but the imagery you don't I don't need a plot or imagery, so that really very much that was my first. I mean, that was the first movie experience that I remember. But I remember also the fact that this little square of light pulled everyone into the room into it. Even though we were all terrified. I was like, I got to get on the other side of that square like I've gotta do that. So that was a big memory. Wow. So it showed you horror and made you wanna be on screen at the same time. That's amazing. Ultimate gateway. I love that ultimate gateway, but I do not show your little kids knows for rto Goddamn terrifying. Oh, I would not recommend it. Oh, my God, that's crazy s o Then when did it become like a thing where you were scared of it? But then it started to get interesting or oh, that's a good question. I always wanted to be. I always wanted to be affected by movies that I saw. I didn't want them just to be like, well, background audio and visual wallpaper. I want to be pulled into stuff. So I think that first it was it was watching on Saturday afternoons the old Universal Horror films. They would just show them randomly on TV. And I loved all the makeup effects. So that was that pulled me in. And then you have a favorite universal monster. I'm sorry, can I ask? Oh, creature from the Black Lagoon. Interesting. He doesn't get a lot of play, doesn't end that movie again has so much That movie's weird because I know that at the time kids saw it and were scared for the fifties. But if you watch it now, it's kind of beautiful and it's really sad. You feel so bad for the creature and you're totally rooting for him. All the humans in the movie are Dix, and you're You're hoping that he maybe she decides to go with him and live in his weird US lagoon cave where, like he takes you to this cave where you stay up here where you can breathe and I will be in the water and can't we work like again? It's nothing is in the script, but you feel like he's going. Maybe we could meet halfway. It's just, I don't know. It's really amazing. Yeah, I love compromise. It's kind of, you know, when that that movie is what made Camel Totoro do shape of water because he was like, Why don't they have a romance? Why don't they just fall in love? I can't believe that that movie works the shape of water like it does. There's like there's a dance number and I was like Wait, what is happening? Amazing. Every movie is better with a dance number, in my opinion, though, s absolutely Yes, yeah, so and also I grew up during that time in the seventies where it was it was a golden Age. Not not that I had access to all the amazing horror movies that were out. But that was a time when TV ads for horror movies they were not afraid to just be really creepy and just flat out. And they would show you ads on TV for Remember seeing ads for The Exorcist and Jaws and Mutations. And it's alive and stuff like that. And all these ads were genuinely scary as hell and what it would really like mess you up. Yeah, as a kid again, it's just like that. Like I remember being terrified by thriller. It's just like these little things That's just like the imagery of it is what? Like as a kid, you can't process it properly. Uh, so did you. Are you? Do you consider yourself a Gore hound? Oh, yeah, I was such a because I loved the idea of because again, I was frustrated seventies eighties teenage, suburban kid. And of course, I love the idea of I'm getting away with something by watching this. So I had the book splatter movies I had. Tom Savini is book. I had a subscription of Fang Gloria. I would there was There was a very brief window for a couple of years where you could sell a movie by the makeup artist doing the core effects. It was, I think it was like a summer there, like with From Tom Savini, like not the director not stars. Just the guy that did remember they advertised that would be called the Prowler, just purely on the fact that Tom Savini was doing the makeup effects. And and they weren't even that there weren't even that many makeup effects in the movie. But he had become such a name because of Fang Gloria that they were like Tom Savini. So you know what's coming like it was that kind of on every 15 year old boy came a running oh way. All had, like, I'm a little Super eight movies, and they were all slasher movies because that's all I do. So you would get a bunch of watered up, get toilet paper, soak it in Karo syrup and food coloring, make the, you know, ripped up flesh. It was just the best would you make a slasher moving out in the girl in the grown up way has that like desire continued. Maybe, but there's gotta be, like again I would make a slasher movie, but I would try to do something with it the way they did with my cabin in the woods or Tucker and Dale vs Evil. What is a different take on this, which I think would be eating or the legend of? Was it Leslie verden? Vernon was that one e o um, your, your encyclopedia acknowledged, like far outweighs fine. That's insane to me because you haven't insane encyclopedic knowledge. Julia as well, you know, I think is great. Yeah, you know, areas and angles that I do not know, Julia. So do not sell yourself short, but you always recommend incredibly cool movies when you're on your social media and try to bring out. I know that you were a big champion of the deeper you dig, which is a movie that we covered recently, which was so amazing. And you were one of the people who recommended it, and I was like, Well, if he likes it, then it's got to be great and it. Waas. Yeah, I was stunned at how, like there there there seems to be because we're living in such a hair trigger society right now. In a weird way, it's come back around to the early seventies, where there are certain issues you can't. If you talk about them out in the open, everyone loses their shit. But if you hide them in genre films and horror or science fiction, you could get away with a lot more. Andi, I think that that's what we've been seeing in terms of movies like Hereditary and Mid Somare. And it follows. And you know, all these, um, incredible movies that are dealing with me, too, and trans rights and race. I'm about to watch. What's it called his house? There's a new movie on Netflix. I think it's called his house. That is about the modern again. It's a horror movie, but it's also clearly about, um, modern xenophobia and racism and immigration and stuff like that, and it's supposed to be brilliant. So, you know, that is, we were such a raw nerve that people are hiding what they need to say in escapism. I mean, I think that the gold standard of that was, of course, get out. Um, but that's been going on for quite a long time, I think. Yeah, I think all the like Romero stuff we've covered as all fallen in that vein to big time. It was weird. I just I texted Julie about, I think, a month ago because I finally watched the crazies on. But it was the craziest feels to me like that was when he was getting into the I'm George Romero and I've gotta have the bleakest like That's what people come to see and that one. I'm sorry. I love George Romero. I just feel like he goes way too far with that ending, where it's just it's bleak on. It's like You gotta pick one bleak hammer to the head. You can't have like, four in a row. You know what I mean? You gotta pick one. So our proposal, though I mean after like watching it in 2020. It just felt like it's bleak, but it's like it felt very true. So and I like the scariest like, Do you have the scary levels and like, the scariest thing for and I feel like in the movie is like how much the military just doesn't have it together, just like at all. And they're not even pretending to have it together. You're like, Oh, no, that's really what it's like. And not only does the military not having together, and it's very subtle in this, but so many of the mast military people. If you listen to the voice work and the dubbing, it's so clearly that they are out of their depths. 18 and 19 year olds Ah, lot of D plus C minus X jocks that didn't quite make it anywhere else. They're like and now they're in the military now, like Holy shit, We just get to shoot people that, like you see them and and again that it's very, very creepy watching like what went down and in Portland and Seattle and even L. A. Where it feels like the feels like the president, saying, You know, that annoying niece or nephew that always embarrasses you every Thanksgiving and calls you out on your bullshit. I'll beat the fuck out of them in the street for you. I'll just beat the shit out of them, and if you get behind me, like it felt like there was that weird. Um, I'll give you vengeance for always being owned and made to look stupid. And and there was that was that was part of the crazies in a big way. And I like that. He kind of takes on a different element of society. And each of his films you have, like, the capitalism and Dawn of the Dead. You have the amusement park, which we've watched, which is the like the creme de la creme of awareness of so senior citizen issues, which doesn't get any talk about it all, which I mean, it's gonna be interesting. Someone is gonna make the great boomers aging out horror movie because that, I think, is the motivation for a lot of the violence that we're seeing in society right now is it's the boomer generation, the one the generation before them, whether they're called the Silent generation or the greatest generation part of their ethos. Was it was that John Wayne in the Searchers, You do your part, you live your life. And then when it's time for you to age the fuck out, you walk away into the desert with some dignity and into the sunset. And the boomer generation is no. I'm always young and I'm always cool forever. And if I don't get to be that, I'll take everyone down with me. And that's what it feels like. It's happening right now. We're not getting a lot of. And by the way, there are sections of the boomer generation that are very nicely walking away with some dignity and coolness. But there's such a huge chunk. It's like we were supposed to be the young, you know? It's like George Cronson. Nothing more alarming than a gray haired ponytail. Oh, dude, no, no, no, dude. Fucking at your goddamn age, We don't I don't want to hear it.