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Snippet of The Buzz: Episode 16 - Reshaping Educational Accountability with Aimee Rogstad Guidera

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The Buzz
Duration: 06:25
Listen to Aimee Guidera, director of the Data Quality Campaign, “helping schools bridge the gap between standards and student performance" for over a decade.
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Aimee Guidera is the director of the Data Quality Campaign, responsible for much of the data-based educational initiatives over the past decade: “helping schools bridge the gap between standards and student performance.” She was named one of TIME's top 12 education activists of 2012. Listen to her take on data collection systems in education, and how she's helping to create more meaningful measures of student progress and preparedness.
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what you know, just so the nuts and bolts out there, people understand. What does this data system actually look like for State X? So Minnesota is actually a phenomenal example to give. Minnesota's been recognized by the data quality campaign is having one of the best, UM, best highest quality feedback information going from post secondary to K 12. And that means that we have some of the richest information because Minnesota is one of those 3 to 5 states 10 years ago that actually had a launch to no data system. So we have some of the most robust, longest set of information at the country in terms of being able to say what's happened to individuals. Um, and yet Minnesota is a great great case study an example of showing, um that the leaders in the state have done an incredible job of one understanding the value of collecting data at the individual level of the student level, both K 12 and post secondary, so you can tell so much more about it, too. We actually awarded the commissioner post secondary and commit of higher education. Minnesota and the Secretary of Education, K 12 in 2009 because they were leading the way in really starting to have a conversation between what is the information that needs to flow back and forth between 12 and post secondary. And they were breaking down those silos between K 12 and post secondary and providing really important feedback information, Um, about how well prepared cake all students in Minnesota work for success and post secondary, which we think really matters. And so so in all kinds of ways. Minnesota is a bellwether state in terms of the quality of the information, the starting to think about, the cross sector work. And yet one of the areas I feel like Minnesota has a place to grow, and I hope that we will continue to be the bellwether state. Is that well? Dee QC awarded Minnesota with having one of the best high school feedback reports back to high schools about how well their students are doing once they go into post secondary Minnesota. Um, where Minnesota. I'll say failing, but so is most of the country is that they're failing to get that information into the hands of people who need it. So it exists somewhere on a website that nobody knows exists. It's out there. You've got to go know what exists. You've got to go find it and you've got to go look for it. Um, and that's not how we get information on anything else in our lives. You know, it's we have a system where I wanna go find out how to make a dinner reservation. I want to find the best things. It's all in my hands. Fingertips. I could find it and it pops up automatically. That's how we need to start thinking about information for people to make decisions about post secondary education or about education. We need to start thinking about communicating differently, and we have a real opportunity. I'll tell, you know, just if you don't mind me riffing on this a little bit, um, you know the new law that's now the law of the land. In K 12, every student succeeds Act ESA, which replaces No Child Left Behind, starts to acknowledge the importance of this feedback information from postsecondary two K 12, and it now requires every single state that has that has this information on the feedback information to not just collect it, not just put it on a website but literally to report it back out on the high school school report card, which every school is required to dio. So it's actually putting that value information, which says to parents and citizens and taxpayers, How are kids from this school doing once they graduate from high school in terms of post secondary enrolment, which is a huge so in Minnesota, they will now be required in every other state to have that great information be placed on the school report card, where moms and dads and taxpayers are gonna be looking for it. But the real opportunity And here's where I see the future going is that just telling people how many kids enrolled in postsecondary out of this high school is important information. But it's not the real information I want as a mom, but I want to know is how many kids got into college? But then how many kids actually persisted and showed up for sophomore year? How many of those kids needed remediation? And if I principal of that school, you better believe I want to know how many kids did I given a two and math that needed to go down the street to the community college and they needed to take remedial math because because that's the kind of information that says, Whoa, we got a problem here. I'm giving kids a zombies and they need to go and pay for another level of remedial education. And I think for your listeners in terms of folks enrolling using transcripts, admissions counselors this is like the Holy Grail of information that they want to get back into the K 12 system to say, Look for so long, colleges have said, You're not providing us with the people we need. They're not ready for success in Post Secondary. We finally have the data systems and now the communication systems required to say We're gonna get the information directly back to the schools and to the taxpayers that people can start going to school board meetings and saying What the heck you told me all of our kids were prepared. You told me if I put more money into the system in this levee that we would have all our kids ready for college and career. What's going on that those same kids now need one are dropping out of college? Are getting on debt and they're needing remedial remedial education. And I actually think this is the Holy Thistle is something that could just transform the entire conversation of education when we have this feedback data. So talk about an opportunity. We've got the data where now we're starting to get into people's hands on the right hand in the right way where they're looking for it. And it's not just the compliance mentality, it's how are we gonna use this to get better results? So one of things were working at D. Q. C is go encouraging states to go beyond just reporting the enrollment information and really focusing on reporting out remediation rates. Persistence rates. And the real issue is that moms and dads want to know. So I know that my kid is not going to show up and sleep on my couch again at age 24. Are these kids able to get a job like what? Do we actually know what happened? These kids, So I wanna be able to see Yep. Within six years, 100% of the kids from this high school not only graduated from some kind of workforce training program, community college for your school got a certificate and they were able to get a living wage job. And that's what we're all talking about. That information is critical, and more and more states are able to do that. We talked about what are some examples of states. Florida has been able to do this for a really long time that they can actually tell you where every single student and K 12 from the class of 85 is, what kind of salary they're making, what kind of job, what kind of enrollment in schools did They persisted. They graduate and think about the kind of information that that then leads to of making good decisions and policy, but also is institutions really focusing on what works?
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