and it's the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, especially our UK fans have been asking for this and more UK stories, so we're tryingto give them. What they want is what happened with Madeleine here. Yeah, it's tricky because why should preface this by stating that this is a very charged case and there are people who have chosen aside and they've stuck very hard and fast to that side. And just in doing my research, I noticed that there are some very biased websites out there, and that's to be expected. I think people have looked into it and made determinations based on the very convoluted witness statements and evidence that's available for the most part. So I could predict that when this episode goes up and our listeners start giving it a go, that we may have some who will be heavenly disagree with our findings, and there will be others who will say, Of course, I already knew this. Yeah, well, it's it's It's like Amanda Knox or Casey Anthony or any of these other highly charged cases you can you can pick and choose what evidence you wanna look at and they, you know, depending on which way you cherry pick, you're gonna find guilt or innocents. You're gonna find suspicion or, you know, people in trouble. And this this case is probably one of the worst when it comes to that, because I know when I came into this case, I thought these were just two parents that were on vacation and they were at the resort and they just assumed the resort is a safe place and everything's fine, and they are victims of a terrible crime. That was the mindset. When I came into this case, we'll see where it goes by the end of the episode. That's true. And I suppose I should state where I was starting from when I looked at this case over the years without looking into it very deeply, but just reading things here or there, I would suspect them of having some sort of hand in this based on the way they handled themselves. I just was suspicious the entire time, and there are other things that have popped up a swell that I really don't want to state just yet, because we'll get into those as we go on. But ah, few things added up to quite a bit. Ah, heavyweight on this case that I could not ignore. So essentially these parents, they go on vacation with their friends right there. It's not just them. There's a couple other couples and their Children, and they all go, um, to Portugal to a resort there, actually, nine adults and eight Children. Those would include the McCanns. So the McCanns and they had seven friends. This they're actually known as the top of seven. When it comes down to descriptions of this case, people might have might have heard that these would include Jane Tanner, Russell O Brien, Rachel and Matthew Oldfield, David and Fiona Pain. And many of these people are physicians. So these air doctors and doctors are people we trust. So I think starting off you have very credible people. I would say, What wouldn't you when you just look at who these people are, their backgrounds, they seem well educated, well, to do seem trustworthy. Ah, lot to lose. The pains were with Fiona's mother, And so you have all these adults and you have all these kids, and what we learned early on is that they like to go and hang out at the Resorts Restaurant, essentially in the evening after putting their kids down. It's a restaurant bar that's poolside, and the pool is pretty much in between the restaurant and the building. You know the one story building with all the apartments. It's kind of like a resort hotel. You can look these apartments up online. It's known as to lose Ocean Club. Where they go and dine at in the evening and have drinks is about 50 m as the crow flies. Yeah, you'd have toe go around the pool through the gate and then down a little path to get to the building. You can see the building plain as day from where they're sitting, but you can't really see into the apartments, so it's not that close, but it's still on the same property of the resort, which I know a lot of people. They go there, they put their kids down and they go to this restaurant. People are like, Why would you leave your kids where you cannot see them? Why would you leave your kids somewhere where there unattended or unsupervised? And I understand that that point of view completely, but at the same time they're a stone throw away. And if you've been there and you've been doing this for several nights in a row, you probably start to feel safe. You probably think this is okay. I just look at they felt safe, and that's why they left their kids in their room while they were at the bar. The restaurant? Well, here's where I have my first issue, which is they feel comfortable leaving the Children there at night and locking them up so the apartment is locked front and back. But the trouble with it is that the night that she ends up going missings, they don't walk one of the doors. And they claim that they do that because they want their friends to be able to check on their Children's well, even though every night, whoever would, because they would take turns leaving to go check on their Children. They would check on there own Children, and it really bothers me because they have a key so you can lock a door if you're going to send someone toe check in on your kid and they know that this is what they're supposed to do, or they have offered to give them the key, right? And then the key. Is it really that difficult? Because I'm going to tell you right now, child abduction is not something that started in 2007. It didn't start in 1997. It's been going on, probably since the dawn of time. Yeah, and there's no way that the McCanns can tell me that it's okay to not be in line of sight of your Children and to leave the What do you say? The door between them and a possible abductor unlocked when If you were being stalked, all they have to do is go by and check the door. This is something that happens a lot. People will just go by and check the door. Check a window. We covered a case before, like this where there was a burglar and he said if a place was unlocked and that was carte blanche, he could just go in and take what he wanted. So you're going to convince me somehow that these parents are that naive, that Oh, well, we'll leave it unlocked. It's fine. They don't live there. They're on vacation. So that means all worse. Yeah, and all I would argue is, if you are leaving, your kids say in a hotel room, which is locked typically and you are going to the hotel, restaurant or bar, you're not leaving the hotel. I don't really have a a big problem with that. I'm okay with, you know? Okay, So your kids are out of line of sight that at least they're locked away somewhere where you know, there, they're safe from others. You know, maybe they could swallow something and choke. Or maybe they could get themselves into trouble in the room, but at least they're protected from the outside world. So I get they put their kids in the room, but leaving it unlocked that it just seems weird. And then supposedly they cycle. They'll have a person leave at a certain time, like, say, at 9 10 to go check on the kids and another person at 9. 25 whatever it is. And if that's really the case, then you would think that there would be Ah, constant, uh, coming and going of people from the group. When Why can't they just be mature about this and leave someone with the Children toe watch them. But you have this many adults. You have nine adults. You're telling me that one or two of them can't stay behind and keep an eye on things. I mean, is it that important to go out and drink and eat every night? And just, well, the kids were safe. We'll just, you know, cover our ears and close your eyes and sing la, la, la cultural or not, they're in a different place. This is high risk behavior. If they were having a dinner date and one of the group brought their kids over to the other person's house and they put all the kids downstairs in the basement, and then all the parents went upstairs and had a party and then, you know, checked on the kids in, in durations down in the basement, in the house that they have control over. I get that, but they're in Portugal there in another country, and I would think that your Spidey sense would be a little bit higher at that point, and you would try to be a little bit more protective. They claim they go to dinner around 8 30 right? The last people to arrive supposedly are Dr David Pain, his wife, Fiona, and then her mother. And they arrive right before nine o'clock. Yeah, about he says 8 55 PM Okay, And he says, By that time, everyone else was already there, and they have all left their Children in their rooms, locked except for the McCanns. Yeah, like I said in the cans, left a door unlocked that one night. And when do they go and check on the Children and who goes and checks? That's a good question. And that's because what they decided to do to explain this is they took Madeleine had a sticker book, and so in the back, they had sort of a page they could write on state Torre Paige and wrote on it. They wrote who went when, and they actually ended up writing it again. And when they're individually questioned, that doesn't seem to match up quite as well, either. It's almost like they can't exactly remember down to the detail exactly when they went and and and that's the funny thing, is what one of the friends says. He goes over to check on the McCanns kids, and he glances, I suppose, towards Matalin's room. The one she's in and you notice is that it's a little lighter, as if the blinds are open a bit. But he doesn't even go in there. He doesn't go to check on her. So which is weird because he said he was going to check on the Children. But then he doesn't. It's this reeks of. I'm just going to say it reeks of a lie like that doesn't make any sense to me. It's like I made it to the apartment. I really just want to go back and drink. So either he does not give a damn about the kids or what I mean, which is entirely possible. Or he's just a lousy person. Like he doesn't bother he once he's there. He he just can't bring himself to go and do what he was there to do. There's this saying that's accompanied by a humorous images all over the Internet, and it says you had one job. Yeah, if he had actually checked, they might have well, and this is supposing that he's not part of something. If he had checked then and she was not there, they would have known even earlier But as we'll talk about the timelines with this case and even the timeline after the parents realized that she's not there anymore, the timeline is very suggestive that this isn't a simple matter of our kids missing. Let's get help or we were going to check on the kids. So we do. It's it's the timeline is not very helpful. I'll just say that we could We could talk about everyone's statements one by one, and it doesn't really lead us anywhere. It just leads to confusion, for at least on my end, it seemed very much.