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Snippet of True Crime Obsessed: CBS's "The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey" Part 2

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In 2016, CBS aired "The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey", a documentary that reinvestigated the murder case with the best detectives in the world. The documentary seemed to lean hard towards Burke Ramsey's role in the murder, for which he sued CBS for millions of dollars.
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In 2016, CBS aired "The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey", a documentary that reinvestigated the murder case with the best detectives in the world. The documentary seemed to lean hard towards Burke Ramsey's role in the murder, for which he sued CBS for millions of dollars.
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a so one of my favorite parts of this whole documentary Is this right here? So Clementi and Laura sit down with this. Lisa the lawyer. I'm not going to say she's out loud and proud, but I'm sure she must be because we cannot say enough that the grand jury recommended that John Ramsey and Patsy Ramsey be indicted and the D. A. Totally suppressed it. We sit down with Lisa, the lawyer we like, read verbatim exactly what the grand jury wanted. The d A. To indict Patsy and John on. I think this is really important. I'm going to play this unfold so on or between December 25 December 26 1996 Jon Benet Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly and feloniously permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child's life or health, which resulted in the death of JonBenet Ramsey. Yeah, the other account was Jon Benet Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly and feloniously render assistance to a person with intent to hinder, delay and prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution, conviction and punishment of such a person knowing the person being assisted has committed and was suspected of the crime of murder in the first degree and child abuse resulting in death. And so, like when we get the explanation from Lisa, the lawyer to Jim, she's saying like they're not really being accused of the murder. They're being accused of allowing the situation of the murder to happen. And so, Lisa, the lawyer, says, Normally, if they do an accessory charge, which here is generally after the fact, it's usually somebody else. My opinion would be that there's a third person. There's a third person involved in this indictment. The only third person that's left is Burke, Ramsey, and Lisa also says, Well, all right, everyone, hold your horses Because Colorado State says that anyone under 10 can't be charged with murder because, honestly, the law on the book says they are too young to form intent. If you're under 10 with regard to Burke, he was nine at the time of the crime, so you have to go at the time of the crime. I don't know how they would prosecute him because of that floor, that minimum age of 10. Let's just say it was you could say negligent homicide. Even if he was, you know, prosecuted now you can't even prosecute him for that. Because he was not yet 10. Burke was nine at the time of the crime, so he can't be charged. He was nine and 11 months, according to Jim Clementi. So But the thing is, in defense of the Ramseys and Burke, there's no way that the Ramseys didn't know this. I'm just saying that, like, the parents are rich and they have good lawyers, they would have known that Burke couldn't be charged so they could have said like, Oh, he did it. But it was an accident knowing full well that he couldn't be charged. Or if he did do it, they could have just said, Yeah, he did it. It was an accident, Like not even making up a story like, I feel like the point of view of the of this documentary is that Burke did it and the parents covered it up. And I'm saying that if if that were true, the parents would know that he couldn't be charged anyway, so they would have come forward and said, Yeah, he did it. I hear 100%. What you're saying? I'm just saying as like a devil's advocate kind of thing, just for the sake of the conversation. I don't know if they necessarily knew that when the 911 call was made. I totally agree when the ransom letter was written and maybe they learned about that later, and then timelines had to be shifted. Oh, yeah, And I mean And that's true, too, that by the time they learned that Bird couldn't have been charged, they were in too deep because look, I don't know the rules of who can be charged with what and why and what our and then what year they're like. I don't know that I'm not looking that shit up in case I'm hoping that I never have to know about that. I'm hoping that every time I learned about a statute, it's something that has nothing to do with me. That's the Gulf. Alright, looking up statutes. I mean, my God. Alright. So two weeks after the murder, Burke was interviewed by someone from the Department of Social Services and we've got the video and guess what? Jim and Laura are going to watch it with us and and Jim says at the behest of the family and the family insisted that it could not be a police officer. And it's like, Okay, look, I get that as a parent, I'm like, if the police are giving me the leeway to pick who's going to interview my kid? Yeah. Yeah, totally. And we spend basically the rest of this episode diving into these videos, and they span years. They span, like from the two weeks after the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. And then, like, a couple years later, when Burke is like 11.5, I believe it is right. And, of course, they pick like the choicest clips that, like either make Burke look the weirdest or the guiltiest, you know? And one of the clips you know they pull is the psychiatrist says to him like, What do you think happened? And he says, I know what happens. So what do you think happened? I know what happened. I mean, when she got killed, how do you think that happened? You think Well, I I actually, dad, maybe they burned her, right. Alright, hold up. So I know what happened. All right. When she was killed, right, and he said, I asked my dad, Where did they find the body? It's what he's not saying. What you would logically expect at that point is asking what happened to her. I didn't dive too much into that where it's like, Yeah, I know something horrible happened He knows in the sense that he knows that she's dead right, and it's so sad because we don't know what happened. You can look at this two ways you can either. Look at the psychiatrist asking this poor kid who just lost his sister and doesn't know how to act about it. And he's saying these weird things, or she's asking the murderer what happened and trying to catch him in a lie and, you know, like he gives us his theory of what happened. Like he says, I think someone took her very quietly and tiptoed down to the basement and then maybe took a knife out. And then he says, Or maybe it was a hammer and then makes the like, hitting her on the head motion. You see that? That's that's a physical demonstration, you know, it's just the odds. He's acting it out at all anyway. I mean, most Children would not kind of future project this or reenact it in a room. And then on top of it all, there is no emotion, no appropriate emotion at all about this happening to his sister. Here's the thing. You know, we've done too many of these documentaries for me to think that there's any one way a person that's supposed to react in the face of tragedy, especially let alone a nine or 10 year old kid. So I don't know. I don't know what to make of these videos. Yeah. I mean, we are not like child behavioral experts, and we are definitely not any kind of behavioral expert. And just like almost as a rule on this podcast, we're kind of like I do weird shit all the time. I can't really. We just went in the last episode, I shake my head when I agree with people. So, like, lock me up, You know what I mean? Like so we go back to remember the friend Judith Phillips from the last episode she was the photographer. Yeah, she's back with a vengeance, literally, almost like, Yeah, because she's got this crazy story about being excommunicated by the Ramseys like they stopped talking to her. But she also has this story about Burke At one point hit John Boehner in the face with a golf club. They were playing in the yard, and apparently he hit her with a golf club right here. And how did you find out about this? Oh, I think I asked Patsy at the time when I was photographing them what the scar was. She said that the kids were playing and Burke lost his temper and hit her. She asked Patsy what happened, and I guess Patsy was super honest, Which is weird, because I don't think we talked about it last episode. But in the first episode of this documentary, Patsy lied about so blatantly bleaching Jean Bones hair like bleaching it blond and trying to keep up. This this like aura of like we're the perfect family. So for suddenly to talk to their photographer friend like who? Patsy. Thanks is like she's a dummy. She'll go to the mayor for me like that. She's just gonna, like, be super honest and be like my son has some behavioral problems or whatever, Like I'm not saying that that's the case. But, like somehow patsies like, I'm gonna lie about so clearly bleaching my daughter's hair at 5.5 years old. But, like, I'm gonna be honest with you about that. And then also, like, she tells the story of Burke, like being kind of a jerk to her like they like cross paths in the hallway. And I walked up to him and he said in this terse voice, Get away from me, Don't touch me. And I put up my arms and said, Okay, I won't I won't touch you And I'm like, I'm sorry, parents. You guys are great, But like kids are jerks. Sometimes the amount of times like a kid has been a jerk to me. My daughter just refused to say hello to you on face. I mean, I'm not I'm not Mike, I'm not Mike. I know that. But sometimes kids are just assholes. And, like if I have to read one more stupid like cute, adorable article on buzzfeed or some list ical about like look at how adorable it is that their kid like spill their cereal all over the floor like you can't have it both ways. Kids are fucking monsters. It's why I don't have them. But also for this woman to be like he was kind of rude to me in the hallway that one time so murderer, am I right? But then they go even deeper on Burke's quote. Like psychological issues, we have to hear about what Jim Clementi cause scatological problems. So, like we get five minutes of stories about how Burke was smearing his poop all over the place. Well, and the thing is, I mean, people are just like he can you imagine, like how weird it must be for the first born to be jealous of the beauty queen. And I'm like, Are you kidding me? The boy who like the beauty queen mother couldn't put in pageants. And then finally, she had a girl who, like couldn't fight the bleaching and the hair and like, shoved her into the pageant system. And I'm sure Burke was kind of ignored that to me, if he's acting out about I don't know again, like you said, there's no video, there's no proof of this. But he would like leave poop in Japanese bed, According to the documentary, investigators apparently found poop on her Christmas presents. She was murdered the next day. I just believe that maybe Burke was a little bit ignored. Yeah. Also, are we ever gonna be able to stop talking about poop? I feel like every single episode we talk about poop. Now, you know what I'm thrilled about. They mentioned O. J in this. So we scanned, right? Fucking buy it. So thank God. So, yeah, try
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