Well, why don't we go ahead? We're gonna set the stage. I got this thing. The first thing that we're going to talk about is actually the legend of the skin walker itself. Like I said, skinwalkers are my favorite. And, uh, they they correspond with my other favorite. Which is Wolfman. A lot of Wolfman. Yeah, there's some layover. Absolutely some Okay, layering. He just put one hand on top of the other for anyone I know because I was like this media. Now the skin Walker legend figures most prominently in the Navajo culture, but it's found in multiple tribes of the first peoples of North America. And it said to originally come from the Anasazi people, which is the ancestral group of many first tribes who emerged originally in the American Southwest around the 12th century BC. I'd like to say really quick, not an expert on any of this, Uh, did some research to some homework. If especially if you have more intimate knowledge of the skin walker phenomena and I say something that's not true or anything, please let me know, because again, I want to learn as much as I can about this so pretty much everything we're saying with a little ass trick at the end. Yes, exactly. Now the majority of sources claim that the skin walker is essentially a witch. The skin walker is someone who had access to the knowledge of the mystical, the magical, the spiritual and used it for evil. Usually they accomplished this transformation from man to skin walker by the killing of a close family member or killing of a tribe member in a ritualistic manner in order to invoke the powers of darkness and and grant them supernatural powers. It's like you fully fall into the dark side. Well, it's it's interesting that you say that it really is. I think I have this down here a little bit by. We'll go ahead and talk about in Navajo culture. The magical in the world is not like things are not good nor evil. The magic exists. Yeah, magic is mystical, and it's how it's used. And so because of that you have, like on the good side you have the shaman, the medicine men who heal and uplift and and edify the community. That magic exactly. Yeah, On the other side, you have the mirror image. But this gets even a little deeper into skin walker culture because, essentially or skin walker lore, because essentially they are mirror images. Even the rituals that take place are supposed to, uh, to mirror each other and just be, like, slightly twisted okay, one way or the other. So it's not like I can perform the same ritual but the like wanting to get a positive outcome, like mentally like I can't be like performing one ritual and being in a proper state of mind like a happy place and trying to This isn't it's not. It's not off of my will. This is a matter of a forced intent, and that's the thing about it. It's like because a lot of you imagine real quick just being a shaman and being, like, got the whole try together. You're doing a ritual, and then you're like jokes on you. You thought I was doing that and then I'm not following. Okay, um, and that's what That's one of the things that makes the skin walker so disturbing because it's often times related to the European concept of the werewolf where essentially you do you have like I was saying a moment ago. One of the biggest powers of the skin, Walker is shape shifting and essentially taking these animal skins and using them to assume animal forms, one of which is is the wolf because of its prominence and first people's culture preservers. Yeah, yeah, exactly some of that kind of feel. And you also have, like the coyote you have the crow, the eagle, that sort of thing. Well, probably just a few of them. But the difference is, where is the where Wolf? That is something that is a force that acts upon you, right? You're an innocent, normal person. There's lycanthropy. It's not. Your fault is a curse. Well, not even that. It's that you're an innocent, normal person and you get bit by a werewolf and then against your will. Where Wolf? Yeah, whereas with the skin walker, this is like a demonic pact. Yeah, exactly. It's a matter of saying this is what I want, and I am going to actively seek that out. And that's one of the reasons that it's such a. It's just so much more sinister than the werewolf, for instance. Now, like I was saying, the animal form of Skinwalkers are usually shapes of animals that figure provident prominently in folklore like coyote, fox, wolf owl or crow as well as the Eagle. But they can actually, uh, take any form that they want, and they can even theoretically change their human shape into another human shape. And they can look like your mother, your father, your aunt, your best friend, whoever now in their animal form. The creatures are often deformed there, either extremely large or they'll be twisted and unnatural, or, most of the time both, um, one of the telltale or markers or the eyes. And if you see a skin walker in human form, it's going to have animal eyes. You're gonna be looking into the eyes of a man but feel like it's the eyes of a wolf and then vice versa. You'll be looking into the eyes of the wolf, but feel like you're looking into the eyes of a man to see and identify a skin walker is a death sentence. As soon as they realize that you know who they are and you know what they are, you're you're going to be killed. That's no, no two ways around it But you do have these stories dozens and dozens of them of people identifying skinwalkers while in their animal form. And how do you do that? How do you like if you see a skin walker? I mean, like, it's not like you instantly know who they are as a, you know, No, no, sorry. Identifying that they are a skin walker. Not not just like not Jeff. Holy crap. That's Jeff. It's Jeff again, I hope like that so upset. But by saying, you know, this is a skin walker and and sometimes as well, even without knowing. Like, for instance, there are stories of people you know who would say that they were out walking and a wolf attack them and they shot the wolf and it hit the wolf in the in the upper front left Lake in a very identifiable spot. Exactly. And then the next human having the same wound in the same location person who is either someone who's already looked down upon by the tribe or has a particular beef with the victim. Well, guess what? They have a bullet wound in their left arm, you know, that sort of thing. So skinwalkers are typically outcast, then of their tribes. Oh, yeah, It's so it Sorry. Yeah. No, you're good. So they do kind of mirror a lot of like witchcraft practices. Yes. And your they kind of feel, Yeah, they are just like witches in Europe. They are the anti they they are the antithesis of good, rightful culture. Like everything that a Navajo should be or everything that a Navajo shouldn't be, is what the skin walker is just like everything. A which is what a normal European shouldn't be. Gotcha. Um, so do they do they ever use or did they ever, um, try to say, Like, rival tribes were just tribes of skinwalkers or anything like that? Uh, was there anything like that that occurred? Not anything I can see there is there is, and we'll get into it here. There is, like using on rival tribes, but not necessarily a skin. Walker wouldn't necessarily have a tribe. It would be it wouldn't be. A tribe of people would be a subsection of culture. For instance, there would be, uh, stories about the skinwalkers of a tribe who would meet or of neighboring tribes all coming together, and they'd meet in caverns and caves late at night. So it's kinda like create their own little community, That esque activity. Yeah, And in these caves, they would like, do these twisted ceremonies usually involving, like, cannibalism and things like that Murder, Uh, they would identify their targets, things like that. Other schools of thought regarding the skin walker is that it is instead of a human being, it is a spirit which possesses human beings, much like the one to go, or it will also manifest by itself. Now, the other thing about the Skinwalkers, you're not supposed to look into its eyes. You will become possessed by doing so. So just keep that in mind. Never look anything in the I ever just in case. That's my personal life philosophy. Now, in this philosophy, the skin walker spirit itself may either possess an evildoer or it will be the source of that evil doers power essentially, and it will will give them superhuman speed and shape shifting abilities and all of that while playing behind the scenes. But the biggest problem with us talking about skinwalkers and other than the fact that if you talk about skinwalkers, you alert the Skinwalkers, so that's not great. But the problem is with in line with that kind of thinking. The skin walker legend is not necessarily openly shared. It's not. It's not a free exchange of ideas and and culture between the first peoples. Not exactly one of the sources that I found who was a Navajo, a member of the Navajo tribe said that the Skinwalkers, even on the reservations, were not talked about unless they were behind unless they were behind closed doors and even then, only if the door had a rug in front of it. It's just not something you bring up, even with other tribal members, but especially not with white people.