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Zodiac Killer Identified?

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Listen to the story behind the Zodiac Killer's identification, and the other murders he is connected to. Plus, an interview with an expert on cold case investigations.
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Listen to the story behind the Zodiac Killer's identification, and the other murders he is connected to. Plus, an interview with an expert on cold case investigations.
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Well, if you are a fan of cold Case files and following along when there are updates, you will have likely heard about this story. A team of specialists, specialists that identify investigate cold cases say they have identified the zodiac killer. The zodiac killer was one of America's most prolific serial killers, Terrorising communities in San Francisco in the 1960s. The case breakers is the team and this is a team of more than 40 former law enforcement investigators said. The team also involves journalists and military intelligence officers. They've taken on other mysteries such as the D. B. Cooper hijacking heist. We've talked about that before On this program. Jimmy Hoffa has been the subject of their investigations as well. Well, they say that the killer is responsible for other slayings as well and that the Zodiac killer has been connected to not only the five murders that occurred between or in 1968, but others as well. So a bit of an update. Although some are now questioning whether or not this new evidence is reliable, whether or not it is true. Now one of the glitches in this case is the case breakers have identified the Zodiac killer as a man by the name of Gary Francis Post, But Gary Francis Post died in 2018. Let's talk a little bit more about how we're seeing cold case files solved and what goes into doing that kind of investigative work. See Seymour is a genetic genealogy expert also the founder of DNA detectives and joins me on the line. Now, see Seymour thanks so much for being with us? Hey thanks for having me. I know this isn't a specific case of DNA evidence coming forward or new technology helping out. But what are your thoughts on the fact that this group at least says they've identified the zodiac killer? Well, I think this group sounds like an amazing group of experts and the news is very exciting. I hate to be a party pooper but I'm a little skeptical and I really want to wait for the FBI to confirm this. I urge caution because I see so much misinformation being spread about cases that I am personally working on and I know that information is incorrect. And I receive emails weekly from people who claim to know who the zodiac killer is, even though I'm not working the case. So I hope the true. But I think some of the headlines are a little misleading. They say investigators have solved it. But these are not the official investigators. This appears to be an independent group and they're tying them to share Ebates murder out here near where I live. And I have some I'm not convinced she was a zodiac victim. So I'm going to wait and see. And I urge your listeners to wait too. But again, I hope it's true, right? But it sounds like we maybe need a bit more information and a bit more investigation. Absolutely. And the FBI has been investigating this case for a long time and then the local agencies and we want to hear it from them before. I believe this case is what is it about this case, do you think like many other cases as well, That really gets so much attention and here we have these murders that took place in the 60's and like you said, now, potential links to other cases, although that hasn't been proven. But what is it about these cases? You think that gets so much attention and keeps people's attention and gets these groups, so so focused on trying to solve them. You know, I'll tell you, it's really interesting to speech cases, get a lot of media attention and which don't. I've now helped solve over 180 cases in the last 3.5 years, some that I thought would get lots of attention didn't a lot of it depends on uh details like zodiac case. I really believe it's because of the letters and the ciphers that he sent that made his case different and more mysterious. And it really got the public involved in trying to figure those out and the fact that so far they have not had DNA evidence. It just makes this case all of them are mysterious. So, I think it's always hard to know which ones will capture the public's attention, but things like uh serial killers writing to the newspapers and sort of taunting the public, I think definitely make them for interests right, Because and in this case to looking at those letters from, from looking at the case. So there were the handwritten letters, there was an anonymous typed letter. It it does seem like whoever it was. I mean, can you tell if something like that is a hoax or is it possible that that somebody is trying to pull one over on law enforcement or if it actually is genuinely from the killer? You know, I've worked cases where each of those things were true in the april Tinsley case in Fort Wayne indiana. It actually was the killer that was writing the letters and taunting the media and the public. And we know that because there was DNA left with those letters and it matched the DNA from the crime scene. And we finally solved that case in 2018 using genetic genealogy and then I worked a case up in Snohomish county Washington state, which was that couple from british Columbia, they cook and Kanye van Kellenberg and letters had been written in that case and it ended up just being someone totally unrelated homeless man, I believe that was not connected to crime. So it's very difficult to know unless you've got that DNA match between the letters and the original crime scene D. N. A. And with zodiac, it was the type of murders where he wasn't leaving DNA behind. So that makes it much more difficult to confirm. But I think they feel pretty strongly that most of those letters at least are authentic. I'm not an expert in that. But what I read, they feel strongly most of those did come from him. So is this a case Do you think even if there's nothing it's not kind of proven beyond a doubt that this in fact is the zodiac killer because we've now or that we now have a name of somebody Who died in 2018 if he was buried, is there a chance of going and getting DNA and trying to prove this case? Sure. And we've done that on lots of my cases. Many of the genetic technology cases are very old and the perpetrator is dead or the potential perpetrator and they've exhumed the body to compare in all of those cases so far it's been a positive identification. The problem with the zodiac cases, it's unclear whether there is any DNA to compare against. So it would certainly be possible to examine him, see if he matches DNA. But only if they were successful in getting DNA from the letters that they believe belonged to him. You know, he could have used water to seal those. He could have asked someone else to do it in some cases trace back to post men who have sealed them. So because the FBI has not been forthcoming as to whether they've been successful in actually getting a DNA profile. I think it remains to be seen whether this could ever be proven once or once you've been for all or not is I guess there's no chance then or because we're talking about murders that happened in the sixties or even with now that they've they this team anyway has has linked it to the cheri jo Bates case that that you talked about. Would there be a possibility of that there is DNA in those cases that it could be cross referenced with. Yes I think there's a much better chance of there being D. N. A. And cheri jo Bates case because it was more of a personal up close from and those are the ones that we can usually solve with genetic genealogy. You know it's hard to uh not leave DNA behind and very intimate uh you know up close crime versus the zodiac was shooting someone from a distance. They also haven't confirmed they have D. N. A. In that case. This is a case I live in southern California. I'm very interested in that case. I've inquired about it but it is not clear on whether they are it have been able to to find a strong genetic profile on any of that evidence on these very old cases. We have to rely on the original crime scene investigators who have done a good job collecting evidence. They couldn't possibly know you know later it would be so valuable pre DNA like this one. Um And also then it being stored all these years lost and not having fire or floods or being accidentally thrown away. So without having inside information, you know, we just can't really predict that because we don't know if they have that DNA profile saying this zodiac case if they have both. I'm sure they've already compared them. They already know if it's the same person or not. And in fact we haven't heard that. It is. Makes me think uh it's probably not. But if they don't have DNA on one or the other, we don't know. So there's still a lot we don't know. Even though we're seeing all these headlines that it's solved I think uh we need more information. All right. Well they are fascinating cases and I know it's so interesting when we see updates like this. See Seymour, thank you so much for your time. We'll talk to you again I'm sure. But
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